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The voting public still, for whatever reason, distrust nuclear power

I blame The Simpsons.
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The voting public still, for whatever reason, distrust nuclear power
I blame The Simpsons.
Or bad Jean-Claude Van Damme movies!!
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The Americans, overwhelmed by the catastrophic consequences of the BP spill, finally relented and took the Dutch up on their offer -- but only partly. Because the U.S. didn't want Dutch ships working the Gulf, the U.S. airlifted the Dutch equipment to the Gulf and then retrofitted it to U.S. vessels. And rather than have experienced Dutch crews immediately operate the oil-skimming equipment, to appease labour unions the U.S. postponed the clean-up operation to allow U.S. crews to be trained.

A catastrophe that could have been averted is now playing out. With oil increasingly reaching the Gulf coast, the emergency construction of sand berns to minimize the damage is imperative. Again, the U.S. government priority is on U.S. jobs, with the Dutch asked to train American workers rather than to build the berns. According to Floris Van Hovell, a spokesman for the Dutch embassy in Washington, Dutch dredging ships could complete the berms in Louisiana twice as fast as the U.S. companies awarded the work. "Given the fact that there is so much oil on a daily basis coming in, you do not have that much time to protect the marshlands," he says, perplexed that the U.S. government could be so focussed on side issues with the entire Gulf Coast hanging in the balance.

Read more: http://www.financialpost.com/Avertib....N8UQNKX


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GORDON wrote:Trust the government. The government is good, the government is wise.

I have never seen a Conservative more angry about not outsourcing jobs.

Doesn't this all require the company, BP, to waive the Jones act in the first place. What exactly does the government have to do with this?




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"To appease labour unions"? Seriously? What the shit?

EDIT: Oh, and by the way, a true conservative has no problems with job outsourcing, because they are the natural result of a market imbalance being exploited - and eventually corrected - by free market forces. It's only modern non-conservative 'Conservatives' that like to talk about "building a wall".




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TPRJones wrote:"To appease labour unions"? Seriously? What the shit?

I love how this claimed... and then you know, fact checked on exactly nothing.

A little research and quotes from people not associated with the dutch company that was stiffed, that'd make for an article worth believing.




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Troy wrote:
GORDON wrote:Trust the government. The government is good, the government is wise.
I have never seen a Conservative more angry about not outsourcing jobs.
Yeah. I guess my first priority in this situation is getting the fire put out more than I care about who puts it out.
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The voting public still, for whatever reason, distrust nuclear power, as dumb as that is.

The same voting public that thinks the dudes they vote for still give a fuck.

A little research and quotes from people not associated with the dutch company that was stiffed, that'd make for an article worth believing.

List of everyone our gov't has told to go fuck off.

According to CRS Report 97-905, the Jones Act is , “The common reference for Section 27 of the Merchant Marine Act of 1920 (41 Stat. 988), which requires that all water transportation of goods between U.S. ports be on U.S.-built, -owned, -crewed, and -operated ships. The purpose of the law is to support the U.S. merchant marine industry, but agricultural interests generally oppose it because, they contend, it raises the cost of shipping their goods, making them less competitive with foreign sources.”

Why do you need the Dutch to say anything? The law essentially tells them to fuck off prior to asking. Why we're still following that law in these circumstances is beyond me.




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Malcolm wrote:
According to CRS Report 97-905, the Jones Act is , “The common reference for Section 27 of the Merchant Marine Act of 1920 (41 Stat. 988), which requires that all water transportation of goods between U.S. ports be on U.S.-built, -owned, -crewed, and -operated ships. The purpose of the law is to support the U.S. merchant marine industry, but agricultural interests generally oppose it because, they contend, it raises the cost of shipping their goods, making them less competitive with foreign sources.”
Why do you need the Dutch to say anything? The law essentially tells them to fuck off prior to asking. Why we're still following that law in these circumstances is beyond me.
Because out President hasn't taken up the mantel of leadership, and gotten the job done in spite of laws.

Let the President take a bunch of shit for it after the fact... the fact he acted decisively to do the right thing... at least once... would get respect from me, and a lot of other people.

But.... some people seem to need to defend this government no matter what it does.

Fuck the oil spill... we got bureaucracy to observe.
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GORDON wrote:
Malcolm wrote:
According to CRS Report 97-905, the Jones Act is , “The common reference for Section 27 of the Merchant Marine Act of 1920 (41 Stat. 988), which requires that all water transportation of goods between U.S. ports be on U.S.-built, -owned, -crewed, and -operated ships. The purpose of the law is to support the U.S. merchant marine industry, but agricultural interests generally oppose it because, they contend, it raises the cost of shipping their goods, making them less competitive with foreign sources.”
Why do you need the Dutch to say anything? The law essentially tells them to fuck off prior to asking. Why we're still following that law in these circumstances is beyond me.
Because out President hasn't taken up the mantel of leadership, and gotten the job done in spite of laws.

Let the President take a bunch of shit for it after the fact... the fact he acted decisively to do the right thing... at least once... would get respect from me, and a lot of other people.

But.... some people seem to need to defend this government no matter what it does.

Fuck the oil spill... we got bureaucracy to observe.
I wish he would have said fuck it and got something like that done. Do I pin the whole thing on him. No, I think my entire government has failed me by not making this a smaller BIG mess.
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So many people so quick to attack Bush for Katrina are the same people so quick to defend Obama in this. It is stupid and ignorant and hypocritical. I base my entire opinion of that demographic of people based on that one fact.



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Katrina was fucked up in some points. FEMA I think is a government joke and will stand by what I said. I think the whole government is to blame. From bottom to top.
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It has been hinted that BP was not at fault for what happened in the gulf.

Here comes the evidence?
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Leisher wrote:It has been hinted that BP was not at fault for what happened in the gulf.

Here comes the evidence?
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Funny this gives a good explanation on what happened. Funny how the rest of the interview said how the head BP guy over rode his boss' ideas about how to precede that day and take a more dangerous attack on getting the oil. Funny how information can be shaped.


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Environmentalists dismayed that effects of the spill are no longer affecting anything as far as we can tell, and no "environmental legislation" is happening because of that.

http://www.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,2037876,00.html

Better luck next time, environmentalists. Let's hope next time the damage is way more serious so you can have what you want.
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[url=http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/news ... nd-partner
s.html]Blame officially assigned.[/url]
You'll notice everyone pretty much just blames everyone else.
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Was searching for something else and found this thread.

Just wanted to point out there is still seafood.
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