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GORDON wrote: I didn't realize most of.the things I dvr were on Fox.
I realized this the other night as I was setting up my DVR for the year. (We had received new ones over the summer, so I had to reprogram everything.)

NBC, ABC, and CBS were almost completely absent from my recordings. In fact, I think only NBC made the list at all. Everything else was FOX or adult swim.

Oh, and go to fox.com to watch the shows you're missing.

DirectTV sucks.
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Someone figured out the "On Demand" loophole. Fox On Demand is no longer available.

Looks like I am straight-pirating, now. Bummer... now I have to watch all this stuff without any commercials at all.
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GORDON wrote: Someone figured out the "On Demand" loophole. Fox On Demand is no longer available.

Looks like I am straight-pirating, now. Bummer... now I have to watch all this stuff without any commercials at all.
I'm confused. Do you not have the internet in your home?

Pick a show and watch the episode.
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If I wanted to watch things on my computer or phone, that would be cool.

There's Plex. Done.
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Also Bob's Burgers I think is fox.
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GORDON wrote: If I wanted to watch things on my computer or phone, that would be cool.
What year is this? :D

Bob's Burgers is Fox.
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GORDON wrote: There's Plex. Done.
When the server works, that is.

Catt, I got a message an hour ago on my Plex client that the server needs attention.
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Yeah, so Google fiber has been down since 11am
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Buggah.
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I had a very long post typed up but then fat-fingered something on the keyboard, and the entire browser closed on me.

Then I had a decently-sized summery of that post retyped, and fat fingered something again.... I think I was capitalizing the word "Fox," and the entire browser closed on me.

Here's attempt number 3.

I am siding with DirecTV, as Fox is still unavailable, 2 weeks later. Fox was getting paid by DTV for their content, but Fox wasn't cutting commercials. They were double dipping. Fuck them.

From DirecTV:
We share your frustration because American Spirit is deliberately stopping WUPW from reaching your home until American Spirit receives a significant increase in fees even though you can still watch its shows for free over the air on channel 36 and, often, at fox.com or using the Fox Now app. We want WUPW back in your lineup as soon as possible, but that requires American Spirit’s permission since FCC rules grant WUPW exclusive control over whether that station remains available on DIRECTV. We have asked American Spirit repeatedly to allow you to watch while we work this business matter out privately, but they continue to refuse.
So yeah, I had a hard time deciding with which corporation to feel empathy... this one or that one, wanting to save 1% (or whatever). But like I said, Fox was double dipping... I pretty much feel if I am paying for content, then there shouldn't also be advertising. Netflix and HBO are my examples, so don't argue that it can't be done.

I tried to watch Fox content legitimately, but when a zero-effort option is out there (pirating), then my willingness to jump through hoops goes only so far. I went to Fox On Demand, so the shows would still get their ratings numbers. But I'm not going to take the time to finagle a way to watch fox.com on my big screen television, and I'm not going to huddle the family around a computer so we can watch Orville.

I'll just launch Plex.

Fuck you, American Spirit Media. I hope you go bankrupt and your wives leave you because you had to downgrade the BMW.
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GORDON wrote: Fox was getting paid by DTV for their content, but Fox wasn't cutting commercials. They were double dipping. Fuck them.
I'm not following you here. All networks get paid for their content.

That DirectTV statement is one side of the argument, but I will give them this: The company that owns the Fox affiliate in Toledo has been known to be dicks in negotiations previously with Buckeye Cable.
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I know it's a question of who wants more money. But FOX gets paid by advertisers placing commercials. ANything they get from DTV is extra. So fuck fox. There are alternatives, and Fox doesn't have the bargaining position they think they do.
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GORDON wrote: But FOX gets paid by advertisers placing commercials. ANything they get from DTV is extra. So fuck fox.
Well, you're leaving things out and misdirecting anger. Let me explain...

First of all, let's paint DirectTV in the proper light. This is a company who core business requires them to demand the lowest price for content. So if you think they're flexible in negotiations, you're wrong. DirectTV is constantly in fights like this, and far more so than cable companies. The reason is because their technology is inferior to cable (wired vs wireless), and their marketing is about the price difference. However, before you think they're struggling and fighting for the consumer, consider how long they've had exclusive rights to the NFL Ticket, which was their idea and they pay HUGE money to own. I know you're not into sports ball, but the reason they pay a ton more for this is because it locks out any non-DirectTV viewer. Yes, they are literally overpaying paying for a monopoly with your subscriber fees to try and force NFL fans to get their service. You'll notice they've never run ads about the NFL being mean and not wanting you to watch their product. That's because they pay what the NFL wants. DirectTV also used to, and might still, blatantly lie to new customers about local stations. They would tell people "Yes, you can watch all your local stations. You just have to write them and ask for a waiver." Thing is, they knew all the stations would refuse that waiver request unless it was necessary due to poor signal. The local stations giving waivers would be like your grocer telling you not to buy your groceries there and to instead go elsewhere. We used to get some ANGRY calls. Peeps didn't realize how badly DirectTV was fucking them.

So DirectTV is not without sin.

FOX makes your shows that you want to see. They either pay for production themselves or buy the shows from studios. Supporting them is directly supporting the shows you love like The Orville, Family Guy, Bob's Burgers, etc. Point being, they have to pay for everything you watch. The more money they have, the more they can spend on production. The more money they make on a show, the more the odds increase of it sticking around. Your statement about them double dipping is false because it goes much farther than that. They make money from shows in licensing, advertising (commercials), product placement (if you see a label on a product in a show, it's not an accident), digital distribution (Hulu, Netflix, etc.), and DVD sales. If you cut those streams of revenue, you lose your shows.

Before you go off on all those revenue sources, remember FOX isn't just FOX. FOX is also FS1, Fox Sports, FX, FXX, Fox News, 21th Century Fox, etc. They are just a piece of a larger empire that share all these revenue sources. Just something to take into account.

I just want you to understand FOX's role here, because...
GORDON wrote: So fuck fox. There are alternatives, and Fox doesn't have the bargaining position they think they do.
No, no, no, no. You're misdirecting blame. This is where peeps get very confused about how TV works. FOX has nothing to do with the issues you have right now. This is ONLY about DirectTV versus American Spirit Media. Go back to where I listed off the revenue streams and look for the word "licensing". That'd not just toothbrushes with a character's face. See, NBC, CBS, ABC, and FOX don't own the TV stations. They do own a couple here and there, but generally local stations are owned by companies like American Spirit Media. When I worked for NBC in Toledo they were owned by Raycom Media. These stations gets bought and sold all the time because it's a pretty small profit margin. Now go look at their wiki pages I linked. How can a company own stations in different cities, and those stations be different networks? Because that's how licensing works.

This is how stations can completely change their network, which has happened in the Toledo market. You watch a network as your go to ABC network, and then one day they're airing CBS shows. While the former CBS station is now ABC.

American Spirit Media, and their ilk, pay FOX, CBS, ABC, NBC, etc. for the broadcast rights for their content in the market where they own a station. In this case, ASM pays FOX to air their content in the Toledo market via WUPW. Part of that deal means ASM gets the EXCLUSIVE rights to FOX content in Toledo. They get to decide how much DirectTV pays to air their signal to its customers. This exclusive agreement also means DirectTV can't give you the FOX signal from, say, New York. Only ASM via WUPW has the rights to air FOX content in the Toledo market.

That's the quick breakdown of how local TV works. It sucks. However, without it, you wouldn't see local ads, local news, local content...
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1. Isn't that on the NFL that they gave a monopoly to DirecTV?

2. Everything else... I aint even arguing. DOn't mistake my "fuck Fox" as anger.... it's "I don't give a fuck, I have alternatives and don't need to jump through their hoops to watch the shows." That's what I mean by they don't have the bargaining position they think they do. I aint mad. I don't care, and in the big picture I blame American Spirit Media more than I blame DTV.

Just watched the latest ep of Orville on Plex on the big screen with the good sound system, in high definition. No commercials, zero hassle. Sucks that Seth doesn't get that extra +1 in the ratings numbers, but hey... I bet they are losing thousands of viewers over this little feud of people who don't know and/or care they could watch it on fox.com. McFarland should be pretty pissed off over it.
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GORDON wrote: 1. Isn't that on the NFL that they gave a monopoly to DirecTV?
For the NFL it isn't a monopoly, because they're also aired on CBS, NBC, ESPN, Fox, Twitter, Yahoo, etc.

But yeah, they get a lot of complaints about it.
GORDON wrote: Everything else... I aint even arguing.
Nothing to argue. I was stating facts, not opinion.
GORDON wrote: DOn't mistake my "fuck Fox" as anger.... it's "I don't give a fuck, I have alternatives and don't need to jump through their hoops to watch the shows." That's what I mean by they don't have the bargaining position they think they do.
This is where you continually lose me. Why are you mad at Fox at all? What bargaining power are you implying they're trying to use? This has NOTHING to do with FOX. This is between ASM and DirectTV. Fox isn't involved, nor can they legally do shit about it.

This stuff happens ALL the time. Most recently it was AMC versus cable providers followed immediately by AMC versus DirectTV. That was especially hilarious because DirectTV was advertising they had AMC and if you switched you could watch The Walking Dead there. Then before the cable standoff was even over, they lost AMC and were without it for an even longer period of time.

I think DirectTV is very sleazy. However, I also think companies like Raycom Media and ASM are equally sleazy. It's a low margin business, so tactics tend to get shady.
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I just said it isn't anger.
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But still, "fuck Fox"?

And what bargaining power?
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The comany that owns the Fox affiliate sells commercials to pay the bills, supposedly. Money they get for DTV to show those commercials to a lot more people is icing on the cake, supposedly, especially since they can cut DTV access and not go out of business. "What bargaining power" is what I said they don't have, with DTV. I am a DTV customer, and I am not going to cancel it because they don't have Fox. I am going to get Fox content elsewhere, for zero effort, and get a better product with a commercial-free broadcast. I don't see that Fox has any bargaining power, here. If they want to turn down free money from DTV to make sure their advertisers get exposed to a bigger audience, then bless their hearts.

I don't want to talk about this any more. I feel like I am saying the same thing over and over.
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GORDON wrote: I feel like I am saying the same thing over and over.
You are...

Stop skimming. Read what I wrote.

As it stands you are blaming the gun manufacturer and not the shooter or the gun dealer for the shooting or the shady deal.

I'm not picking on you, I swear! I'm simply trying to educate, so you steer that emotion (that isn't anger) towards the correct party. Because all you're doing right now is stealing from someone who has nothing to do with your situation.

Hint: Substitute "ASM" for "Fox" in all your posts, and then your statements will be factually correct.
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It's Fox's fault for putting their fate into the hands of ASM, a middleman.
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