Second Amendment poll
Soooo...... you post about how gun control doesn't do anything but disarm people who may have been able to stop that crazed wacko?Troy wrote:Totally overblown and far fetched, but you get the point, it's a great idea if that kind of shit doesn't spill out and affect the rest of us. I just totally make this shit up, and it didn't just happen like, last month, a mile from where my GF works.
"Be bold, and mighty forces will come to your aid."
Right, because we both know how that's gonna play out...
some untrained idiot who saw too much Texas Ranger thinks he can shoot a full clip at some gang member with a gun, and doesn't think about silly things like what bullets actually do after they hit people (go through them). Let's just keep racking up that body count, ya'll.
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some untrained idiot who saw too much Texas Ranger thinks he can shoot a full clip at some gang member with a gun, and doesn't think about silly things like what bullets actually do after they hit people (go through them). Let's just keep racking up that body count, ya'll.
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But think of what a better world it would be later on, eh?
Yeah, I know, it's absurd. But if we don't get off this planet and spread out, the way we are going it may eventually be inevitable anyway. Better to get it over with early when it would hurt a whole lot less.
Yeah, I know, it's absurd. But if we don't get off this planet and spread out, the way we are going it may eventually be inevitable anyway. Better to get it over with early when it would hurt a whole lot less.
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I'd carry a fully loaded M-16A2 at all times, if I could, and I am a very good shot.Troy wrote:Right, because we both know how that's gonna play out...
some untrained idiot who saw too much Texas Ranger thinks he can shoot a full clip at some gang member with a gun, and doesn't think about silly things like what bullets actually do after they hit people (go through them). Let's just keep racking up that body count, ya'll.
"Be bold, and mighty forces will come to your aid."
That was my point, but I think there will always be the element of "regular people just can't be trusted so disarm them for everyone's safety." I don't accept that, but other otherwise intelligent people can, so for me this is something not even worth getting frothy over. Like the subject of religion.
If the government does actually manage to disarm the public like England has, I will be getting the fuck out. As fast as I can.
If the government ever mandates a religion, I'm getting out even faster. For example.
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If the government does actually manage to disarm the public like England has, I will be getting the fuck out. As fast as I can.
If the government ever mandates a religion, I'm getting out even faster. For example.
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"Be bold, and mighty forces will come to your aid."
To where?GORDON wrote:If the government does actually manage to disarm the public like England has, I will be getting the fuck out. As fast as I can.
If the government ever mandates a religion, I'm getting out even faster. For example.
Diogenes of Sinope: "It is not that I am mad, it is only that my head is different from yours."
Arnold Judas Rimmer, BSC, SSC: "Better dead than smeg."
Arnold Judas Rimmer, BSC, SSC: "Better dead than smeg."
Africa's its own special little fucked up place. You can't be blaming all that continent's shit on its gun laws.Troy wrote:Get rid of all the gun laws you seem to hate, concealed carry, automatic weapons, schools? You can't actually believe that will somehow "work itself out". (see... Africa)
How 'bout this place?
Diogenes of Sinope: "It is not that I am mad, it is only that my head is different from yours."
Arnold Judas Rimmer, BSC, SSC: "Better dead than smeg."
Arnold Judas Rimmer, BSC, SSC: "Better dead than smeg."
You act like I'm this crazy peace-nik.GORDON wrote:Also, when we play Supreme Commander I am going to require Troy to stick with his convictions and not use guns.
For the record, I own a handgun, and have grown up around guns, some of my best father-son memories involve Weims and shotguns. I can shoot a mean round of clays.
None of this means I want to see more guns on the street, or less restrictions. I love that you have to jump through hoops to get a concealed carry, and that (most) states require a background check to buy a handgun. NONE of this has stopped me from loving them.
Speaking of concealed carry. . . I was never more frightened by guns than after seeing the people who went through that class, and can now carry guns. They shouldn't be walking around with a sharpened pencil, let alone a loaded pistol.
You may have to jump through hoops. . . but there is NOT an IQ test.
I was amazed at the number of people who couldn't hit the silouette at 20 feet and/or couldn't figure out the simple mechanics of a gun.
You may have to jump through hoops. . . but there is NOT an IQ test.
I was amazed at the number of people who couldn't hit the silouette at 20 feet and/or couldn't figure out the simple mechanics of a gun.
The sole fundamental mechanic of a gun is figuring out which end you point at the thing you want dead. Everything else is technically bonus.Cakedaddy wrote:I was amazed at the number of people who couldn't hit the silouette at 20 feet and/or couldn't figure out the simple mechanics of a gun.
Diogenes of Sinope: "It is not that I am mad, it is only that my head is different from yours."
Arnold Judas Rimmer, BSC, SSC: "Better dead than smeg."
Arnold Judas Rimmer, BSC, SSC: "Better dead than smeg."
Wasn't it Denmark that banned guns and had knife murders increase by 300%?
Didn't a Japanese guy go nuts recently and stab a bunch of people, killing several before being stopped?
Let's ban knives too.
And how about the Oklahoma City bombing? Let's ban manure.
And let's not forget 9/11. Ban airplanes!
People will find a way to kill if they have decided to kill. You cannot stop them.
I'm not saying you should be able to pick up an AK-47 at your local 7-11 while you are out getting milk, but to completely ban guns is the opposite extreme. The extreme side of any debate is usually wrong.
Didn't a Japanese guy go nuts recently and stab a bunch of people, killing several before being stopped?
Let's ban knives too.
And how about the Oklahoma City bombing? Let's ban manure.
And let's not forget 9/11. Ban airplanes!
People will find a way to kill if they have decided to kill. You cannot stop them.
I'm not saying you should be able to pick up an AK-47 at your local 7-11 while you are out getting milk, but to completely ban guns is the opposite extreme. The extreme side of any debate is usually wrong.
"Happy slaves are the worst enemies of freedom." - Marie Von Ebner
"It was always the women, and above all the young ones, who were the most bigoted adherents of the Party, the swallowers of slogans, the amateur spies..." - Orwell
"It was always the women, and above all the young ones, who were the most bigoted adherents of the Party, the swallowers of slogans, the amateur spies..." - Orwell
Leisher wrote:Wasn't it Denmark that banned guns and had knife murders increase by 300%?
Didn't a Japanese guy go nuts recently and stab a bunch of people, killing several before being stopped?
Let's ban knives too.
And how about the Oklahoma City bombing? Let's ban manure.
And let's not forget 9/11. Ban airplanes!
People will find a way to kill if they have decided to kill. You cannot stop them.
I'm not saying you should be able to pick up an AK-47 at your local 7-11 while you are out getting milk, but to completely ban guns is the opposite extreme. The extreme side of any debate is usually wrong.
Devils advocate on this one.
300% increase in knives deaths is probably acceptable as long as there is a dramatic overall decrease in murders, brought about by a sharp decrease in gun usage.
Also, whenever this issue is raised, that's always the response, YOU WANT TO BAN ER GUNS. But really, who says that? It's only legitimately said by people trying to scare their base into action. It's like a bizarre game of connect the dots, take one type away, YOUR GOING TO TAKE THEM ALL!!! Never mind that the one type is a military grade automatic weapon, while the rest have legitimate uses.
There isn't anything I can do to an intruder with an AK47, besides spray bullets through the walls of my apartment, that I can't do with my Glock 17.
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When the feds start their wholesale slaughter of citizenry, I'd rather have the AK-47.Troy wrote:There isn't anything I can do to an intruder with an AK47, besides spray bullets through the walls of my apartment, that I can't do with my Glock 17.
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I will admit that on the outset of a general uprising/anarchy/government extermination I am going to be severely undergunned and in trouble.TPRJones wrote:When the feds start their wholesale slaughter of citizenry, I'd rather have the AK-47.Troy wrote:There isn't anything I can do to an intruder with an AK47, besides spray bullets through the walls of my apartment, that I can't do with my Glock 17.
That said, I don't think I'm going to lose sleep over it.
That's the only reason for this amendment anymore, though. The original intent seemed to be two-fold: to provide for an army of the citizenry to be available in the case of foriegn invasion, and to guard against domestic usurpations of power by rulers. The former is no longer required, as we have spent far more of the money stolen from our citizens on the military than the founding fathers would have ever imagined possible. That just leaves being ready to defend yourself against a corrupt government as the only remaining purpose of this amendment.
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Devils advocate on this one.
300% increase in knives deaths is probably acceptable as long as there is a dramatic overall decrease in murders, brought about by a sharp decrease in gun usage.
Let's not assume the murder count dropped as well.
In Australia, when they passed their gun ban, home invasions skyrocketed. I'm sure that's acceptable though to offset the really high number of accidental shooting victims.
In Japan, as I stated, people use knives to murder (and do so efficiently to take out multiple people, not just one), and they bomb their subways with sarin gas.
I point out Japan again because you are completely dodging my point about banning everything that can easily kill a number of people.
Considering the intent of the 2nd amendment, as TPR points out, banning all guns is a hell of a lot scarier than the 1 in 1,000,000,000,000,000,000 chance of a stray bullet coming through your house and killing someone.
Also, whenever this issue is raised, that's always the response, YOU WANT TO BAN ER GUNS. But really, who says that? It's only legitimately said by people trying to scare their base into action. It's like a bizarre game of connect the dots, take one type away, YOUR GOING TO TAKE THEM ALL!!! Never mind that the one type is a military grade automatic weapon, while the rest have legitimate uses.
Actually, you're completely wrong here. Seriously. If you think the gun control lobby is just trying to ban "this type" of gun or ammo, then you're deluding yourself. They don't even hide the fact that they want ALL guns banned. That's why I'm sort of surprised that you believe such a thing. (Check out some anti-gun websites or, even better, watch the Penn & Teller Bullshit episode covering the topic. They talk directly to leading figures in the gun control crowd, and they say ON CAMERA that they want ALL guns banned.)
There isn't anything I can do to an intruder with an AK47, besides spray bullets through the walls of my apartment, that I can't do with my Glock 17.
Your Glock can't shoot through your walls? Your Glock can't shoot through your window and kill a kid outside?
And again, if we're banning things based on them being able to kill multiple people easily, let's ban cars, trucks, boats, planes, manure, etc.
"Happy slaves are the worst enemies of freedom." - Marie Von Ebner
"It was always the women, and above all the young ones, who were the most bigoted adherents of the Party, the swallowers of slogans, the amateur spies..." - Orwell
"It was always the women, and above all the young ones, who were the most bigoted adherents of the Party, the swallowers of slogans, the amateur spies..." - Orwell
I think I ignored that point because I addressed how ridiculous the tactic is, and is used in the same method you are using it right now.
Ban this? BAN EVERYTHING, NO WAIT, BAN THINGS THAT KILL PEOPLE!! It's like, I can't think of a good reason not to ban automatic weapons, so I'm going to drag you down into this silly connect the dots that ends with banning manure. When you type that argument/statement out, does it even sound logical to you? Seriously?
Yes, congratulations, you can find websites of people from TEH INTERNET, and other cooks who want to ban them entirely. I've put together my arguments against it and my feelings concerning personal firearms. Can we continue discussing issues instead of bringing up random arguments that I haven't ONCE posted in this thread?
It's like you have practiced this stuff in defense of a super Liberal Anti Gun nut, and are having trouble applying it to a Southern Democrat with stances that aren't entirely polarized.
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Ban this? BAN EVERYTHING, NO WAIT, BAN THINGS THAT KILL PEOPLE!! It's like, I can't think of a good reason not to ban automatic weapons, so I'm going to drag you down into this silly connect the dots that ends with banning manure. When you type that argument/statement out, does it even sound logical to you? Seriously?
Yes, congratulations, you can find websites of people from TEH INTERNET, and other cooks who want to ban them entirely. I've put together my arguments against it and my feelings concerning personal firearms. Can we continue discussing issues instead of bringing up random arguments that I haven't ONCE posted in this thread?
It's like you have practiced this stuff in defense of a super Liberal Anti Gun nut, and are having trouble applying it to a Southern Democrat with stances that aren't entirely polarized.
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