Second Amendment poll
I didn't comment earlier as I had no time and just wanted to get the link up.
It's a US Today poll with over 3 million responses, yet it's 97% in favor of the second amendment giving the people the right to bear arms.
I thought that was significant enough to point it out.
It's a US Today poll with over 3 million responses, yet it's 97% in favor of the second amendment giving the people the right to bear arms.
I thought that was significant enough to point it out.
"Happy slaves are the worst enemies of freedom." - Marie Von Ebner
"It was always the women, and above all the young ones, who were the most bigoted adherents of the Party, the swallowers of slogans, the amateur spies..." - Orwell
"It was always the women, and above all the young ones, who were the most bigoted adherents of the Party, the swallowers of slogans, the amateur spies..." - Orwell
I think that's the easy part though. It's pretty open to interpretation.
"arms" when used in the general sense, is pretty open.
I assume they didn't mean, that we have a god given right to mount an M60 right next to our Peepholes to scare off solicitors.
All that gray area in the middle, that's where right wing conspiracy theories are born. Damn right I believe everyone can have hunting rifles, shotguns, and handguns. That seems to match up as closely as the Founding Fathers decreed at the time(Security/Food/)
Do I want them giving out fully automatic AK47s to crazy people who see the world as an epic battle between the "non crazy people?" and the "God hating liberals living in big cities with all them negroes"? (me)
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"arms" when used in the general sense, is pretty open.
I assume they didn't mean, that we have a god given right to mount an M60 right next to our Peepholes to scare off solicitors.
All that gray area in the middle, that's where right wing conspiracy theories are born. Damn right I believe everyone can have hunting rifles, shotguns, and handguns. That seems to match up as closely as the Founding Fathers decreed at the time(Security/Food/)
Do I want them giving out fully automatic AK47s to crazy people who see the world as an epic battle between the "non crazy people?" and the "God hating liberals living in big cities with all them negroes"? (me)
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There are none. There should be no limitations, because limitations never work anyway. All it does it keep those who would use whatever the thing is properly from having it. Those who are more likely to use it in improper ways are the same ones likely to not give a crap about those laws making it illegal to have it.
Instead we should have laws against using firearms to commit acts such as murder or theft or assorted other undesirable activities that cause harm to others.
Oh, wait, we do.
Instead we should have laws against using firearms to commit acts such as murder or theft or assorted other undesirable activities that cause harm to others.
Oh, wait, we do.
"ATTENTION: Customers browsing porn must hold magazines with both hands at all times!"
TPRJones wrote:There are none. There should be no limitations, because limitations never work anyway. All it does it keep those who would use whatever the thing is properly from having it. Those who are more likely to use it in improper ways are the same ones likely to not give a crap about those laws making it illegal to have it.
Instead we should have laws against using firearms to commit acts such as murder or theft or assorted other undesirable activities that cause harm to others.
Oh, wait, we do.
Tomorrow, I am going to decide that I want to go fucking crazy.
I want a fully automatic machine gun, and I want it now!
What are the chances I can get one without alerting some type of government organization and end up in jail?
Just because a bunch of crazy people know where to find guns, doesn't mean the all do.
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That's just because you don't know the right people. People that want to commit crimes often know other criminals that can, and are willing to help them.Troy wrote:Tomorrow, I am going to decide that I want to go fucking crazy.TPRJones wrote:There are none. There should be no limitations, because limitations never work anyway. All it does it keep those who would use whatever the thing is properly from having it. Those who are more likely to use it in improper ways are the same ones likely to not give a crap about those laws making it illegal to have it.
Instead we should have laws against using firearms to commit acts such as murder or theft or assorted other undesirable activities that cause harm to others.
Oh, wait, we do.
I want a fully automatic machine gun, and I want it now!
What are the chances I can get one without alerting some type of government organization and end up in jail?
Just because a bunch of crazy people know where to find guns, doesn't mean the all do.
Normal people who just decide to go crazy and commit a crime end up asking the ex-crack addict selling magazines if he knows someone that can help him commit a crime. Then they get caught.
So, a real criminal would be able to get the AK with few blips on the law enforcement radar. You, would make all kinds of dumb mistakes cause you haven't grown up learning from that element. I think.
Troy, you seem intelligent. I'm sure if you wanted to get such a weapon, you would figure it out. It's not that hard. Do I want everyone to have illegal weapons? No. I just acknowledge that laws to make weapons illegal are worse than useless because they only stop those least likely to use them improperly.
Gun laws are a way to jail someone for a crime they haven't committed yet, by assuming that if someone wants that weapon they're going to try to kill everyone. If that's the sort of pro-active law enforcement you want, perhaps it would be more efficient to have psychologists evaluate everyone, and then throw anyone in jail that they think might some day commit a crime.
Yes, I know that's absurd. My point is that gun laws are very much "victimless crimes" and I despise all such laws. They go against everything I believe in.
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Gun laws are a way to jail someone for a crime they haven't committed yet, by assuming that if someone wants that weapon they're going to try to kill everyone. If that's the sort of pro-active law enforcement you want, perhaps it would be more efficient to have psychologists evaluate everyone, and then throw anyone in jail that they think might some day commit a crime.
Yes, I know that's absurd. My point is that gun laws are very much "victimless crimes" and I despise all such laws. They go against everything I believe in.
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"ATTENTION: Customers browsing porn must hold magazines with both hands at all times!"
I understand what your saying, but I just don't have enough "goodwill" towards my fellow man, to assume that if everyone had easy access, it would in anyway lead to less gun related deaths.TPRJones wrote:Troy, you seem intelligent. I'm sure if you wanted to get such a weapon, you would figure it out. It's not that hard. Do I want everyone to have illegal weapons? No. I just acknowledge that laws to make weapons illegal are worse than useless because they only stop those least likely to use them improperly.
Gun laws are a way to jail someone for a crime they haven't committed yet, by assuming that if someone wants that weapon they're going to try to kill everyone. If that's the sort of pro-active law enforcement you want, perhaps it would be more efficient to have psychologists evaluate everyone, and then throw anyone in jail that they think might some day commit a crime.
Yes, I know that's absurd. My point is that gun laws are very much "victimless crimes" and I despise all such laws. They go against everything I believe in.
We are talking about the same people who get in fights over Toys are Walmart, and who get into fistfights on the Highway over rear end collisions.
Get rid of all the gun laws you seem to hate, concealed carry, automatic weapons, schools? You can't actually believe that will somehow "work itself out". (see... Africa)
@Cake
If I tried to buy from him, I would probably end up with 40 copies of Vibe magazine.
Oh, but I do believe that. We could seriously use some thinning of the herd, and letting the ignorant and ill-mannered kill each other off would be an excellent start.Troy wrote:You can't actually believe that will somehow "work itself out".
"ATTENTION: Customers browsing porn must hold magazines with both hands at all times!"
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As it happens, Raleigh is home to the ultimate argument against gun control.
TPRJones wrote:Troy wrote:You can't actually believe that will somehow "work itself out".
Oh, but I do believe that. We could seriously use some thinning of the herd, and letting the ignorant and ill-mannered kill each other off would be an excellent start.
Which is totally cool, until the cheap thin wall of that McDonalds gives way to a burst from whatever automatic rifle, and hit you, driving along on your way back from work. But fuck, you're just another lemming in the herd, right? (Or anyone you care about)
Totally overblown and far fetched, but you get the point, it's a great idea if that kind of shit doesn't spill out and affect the rest of us. I just totally make this shit up, and it didn't just happen like, last month, a mile from where my GF works.
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