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Socially Acceptable Bigotry.
Yeah, those things are so important when it comes to winning wars.
I think that's why they hate the military. They're everything the liberals aren't. They stand for everything the liberals hate. And those virtues (or the military) are for more relevant to the day to day sustainment of the country then any of the liberal "ideals" will ever be.
I think that's why they hate the military. They're everything the liberals aren't. They stand for everything the liberals hate. And those virtues (or the military) are for more relevant to the day to day sustainment of the country then any of the liberal "ideals" will ever be.
"... and then I was forced to walk the Trail of Tears." - Elizabeth Warren
You can't be surprised that the media doesn't exactly research everything or tell everything truthfully. They aren't reporting. They provide a product. Oddly enough, a shitload of people pay for that product, too.
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Diogenes of Sinope: "It is not that I am mad, it is only that my head is different from yours."
Arnold Judas Rimmer, BSC, SSC: "Better dead than smeg."
Arnold Judas Rimmer, BSC, SSC: "Better dead than smeg."
I disagree that the military represents love of (a Christian) God. Maybe you're thinking of the Boy Scouts, another group reviled by the PC.In general, the military has always represented the best of American qualities (courage, honor, love of God and country, responsibility), so this comes as no surprise. It's alot of the stuff they hate all rolled into one.
If God says "Don't kill, be loving to your brother man and let me decide whether he's evil." and the military says "Kill that 'evil' guy or we kick you out," well, you can't serve two masters.
Now the Jewish and Muslin Gods, sheesh. Those guys are buttholes.
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The Marines used to have the creedo of God, family and the Corpse or something like that. Ask Gordo.I disagree that the military represents love of (a Christian) God. Maybe you're thinking of the Boy Scouts, another group reviled by the PC.
"... and then I was forced to walk the Trail of Tears." - Elizabeth Warren
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If there were even a few isolated incidents, then it's not an urban legend.That is just an urban legend started because of a few isolated incidents and perpetuated in the movie Rambo.But it sure is strange that nothing has changed since hippies were spitting on returning Vietnam veterans.
"... and then I was forced to walk the Trail of Tears." - Elizabeth Warren
That is just an urban legend started because of a few isolated incidents and perpetuated in the movie Rambo.
The "spitting on vets never happened" movement seems to be based on this book written by Jerry Lembcke.
That book is a direct contradiction to a book called Homecoming: When the Soldiers Returned from Vietnam written by Bob Greene. I would have linked to its Wikipedia page, but apparently the vast right wing conspiracy hasn't gotten around to getting that done.
Still, we can compare the pedigree of the authors:
Bob Greene
Jerry Lembcke
There's a very good review of The Spitting Image here in which he breaks down Mr. Lembcke's entire argument. See, Lembcke claims that not only were no protestors spitting on soldiers, but they were in fact, welcoming them home with open arms. Really Mr Lembcke? And where did you get this idea?
Drawing on my own experience as a Vietnam veteran who came home from the war and joined Vietnam Veterans Against the War (VVAW), I called the image of spat-upon Vietnam veterans a myth.
That is from here.
Well Lembcke can't have written a book just based on his own experiences right? Nope, here are his own words from this column:
For a book I wrote in 1998 I looked back to the time when the spit was supposedly flying, the late 1960s and early 1970s. I found nothing. No news reports or even claims that someone was being spat on.
That quote is followed IMMEDIATELY by this sentence:
What I did find is that around 1980, scores of Vietnam-generation men were saying they were greeted by spitters when they came home from Vietnam.
Huh? He just said there weren't even claims of someone being spit upon.
This paragraph from that same article shows where Mr. Lembcke went wrong in his research:
Like many stories of the spat-upon veteran genre, Smith's lacks credulity. GIs landed at military airbases, not civilian airports, and protesters could not have gotten onto the bases and anywhere near deplaning troops. There may have been exceptions, of course, but in those cases how would protesters have known in advance that a plane was being diverted to a civilian site? And even then, returnees would have been immediately bused to nearby military installations and processed for reassignment or discharge.
No, no, no. Had Mr. Lembcke done any actual research he would have discovered that a lot of the claims were made by military people flying commercial around the U.S. at the time. See, they wore their uniforms because they got half off their ticket for doing so. (There is a statement below by a vet to prove this point.)
And don't give me this "there were no news reports horseshit". Why would there be? This was looooong before TV news became the force that it is today and loooong before the TV media would have gone full force after a story like this. Besides, if a soldier got spit upon, he would have had to run to a TV station to report it and even then, it would have just been one guy alone doing so. However, many soldiers relaying these stories to friends and the DOD and someone in the media might pick up on it...like the NY Times did (look below for the quote).
Since Mr. Lembcke couldn't find ANYONE to dispute his claims that no soldiers were being spit upon or treated poorly when they came home, I found some sources for him...
John Kerry -
an excerpt from p. 232 of Bob Kerrey's new book, "When I Was A Young Man". The future Senator is describing an incident in 1969; he is in Philadelphia undergoing rehab with his prosthetic leg and the incident occurs at the Martin Luther King track meet at Villanova:
"After the race I was taunted by a group of long-haired men who blocked the exit and knocked me to the ground as I pushed past them to leave."
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from the Nov 30, 1971 Times:
The Agony of the U.S. Army
...The fact is, however, that the service and many of the things it stands for are taking a bad beating these days. The uniform of its soldiers is spat upon in the streets and its wearers are denounced in public places as "war criminals".
A vet's story on the DCU of all places. And props to the people who apologize to him.
From a site on remembering and surviving Vietnam -
"One year later, I stepped off the plane at O'Hare, in my USAF Sgt's Blues, somewhat confused. A young, smiling, Blonde woman - a stranger - raced up to me with her arms outstreched. Just in front of me she stopped, turned ugly, screamed "baby killer" at me and spat in my face. Her spittle burned as it traced down my cheek. My first breaths on US soil - again, burned through my soul with rage, grief, humiliation, distain, despair and shame."
David McTamaney of Newburgh, NY -
"a youing guy, about twenty or so, wearing a headband and a leather vest, stepped back and looked at me. 'Have you been in Vietnam?' he asked innocently. 'Yeah,' I said 'I just go back, and I'm heading back to Al-' He never let me finish. He leaned back, made a couple of swishing motions with his mouth and spit in my face. I jumped backward, but his spittle hit me on my bare arm. I took a step forward realizing that he couldn't escape, and felt my heart begin to pump faster?I dragged all my stuff into the toilet stall, locked the door, put my face in my hands, and cried for the first time in months"
You can find many more examples around the web, all one needs to do is actually look and "want" to find them.
I think one of the biggest problems with the peace protestors and those who support their hostile actions and words towards our troops is that they don't get that a "spit in the face" doesn't have to be a physical act.
I find that to pretty funny too, because we're talking about the same people who went around believing negative energy to be bad. Apparently, they only were concerned when "negative energy" was directed at them.
You want to talk about urban myths? Let's start with the urban myth that the 60s and 70s peace movement was about "peace" and not about drugs, music, free sex, and rebelling against parents and the establishment.
"Happy slaves are the worst enemies of freedom." - Marie Von Ebner
"It was always the women, and above all the young ones, who were the most bigoted adherents of the Party, the swallowers of slogans, the amateur spies..." - Orwell
"It was always the women, and above all the young ones, who were the most bigoted adherents of the Party, the swallowers of slogans, the amateur spies..." - Orwell
Hell, look at all the fights that break out at "Peace" marches.You want to talk about urban myths? Let's start with the urban myth that the 60s and 70s peace movement was about "peace" and not about drugs, music, free sex, and rebelling against parents and the establishment.
Makes me laugh every time.
"... and then I was forced to walk the Trail of Tears." - Elizabeth Warren
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