It hasn't been brought up here, and probably rightly so. I needed a little time to crystallize my own thoughts about it.
In my opinion, there shouldn't be a law stopping its construction, and government should not try to stop it.
BUT, whoever is responsible for building it MUST know by now how it is being perceived as a "9/11 Victory Mosque," and if they really cared about improving Islam's image in this nation, they would gracefully back away from it. Islam's stock would rise a lot in this country with a simple, "Sorry, we didn't realize the effect this would have on y'all." Hell, support for the mosque would probably rise at that point, for more than one reason.
There shouldn't be a law against it, but the apparent intent of it at that location should not be dismissed.
In my opinion.
The "Ground Zero" Mosque
I'd agree with that opinion.
The government should absolutely not be involved, but the people behind the mosque shouldn't be drawing lines in the sand, particularly there...
The government should absolutely not be involved, but the people behind the mosque shouldn't be drawing lines in the sand, particularly there...
“Activism is a way for useless people to feel important, even if the consequences of their activism are counterproductive for those they claim to be helping and damaging to the fabric of society as a whole.” - Dr Thomas Sowell
Ha! I didn't even think about that when I wrote it.TheCatt wrote:Racist.Leisher wrote:...the people behind the mosque shouldn't be drawing lines in the sand...
Which is more racist? Writing that or implying/believing that all Muslims live in the desert?
“Activism is a way for useless people to feel important, even if the consequences of their activism are counterproductive for those they claim to be helping and damaging to the fabric of society as a whole.” - Dr Thomas Sowell
Much as I hate to cite the Catholic Church for proper procedures, once upon a time some nuns wanted to put up a nun recruitment center or something similar near the site of a Nazi concentration camp. The pope stepped in & put a stop to it, rightly so.
Diogenes of Sinope: "It is not that I am mad, it is only that my head is different from yours."
Arnold Judas Rimmer, BSC, SSC: "Better dead than smeg."
Arnold Judas Rimmer, BSC, SSC: "Better dead than smeg."
1) It's not a mosque, it's a community center. Like a YMCA for muslims. That's a big difference, IMO.
2) The reason it's not a mosque and the reason they want to build it there is because it's intended to support one of the largest mosques in New York city. Which is already only a block-and-a-half away from that location. And was there a couple of decades before the towers were originally built.
This whole thing is just an excuse for conservative Christian assholes to be self-righteous and make more Osama/Obama jokes.
In my opinion.
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2) The reason it's not a mosque and the reason they want to build it there is because it's intended to support one of the largest mosques in New York city. Which is already only a block-and-a-half away from that location. And was there a couple of decades before the towers were originally built.
This whole thing is just an excuse for conservative Christian assholes to be self-righteous and make more Osama/Obama jokes.
In my opinion.
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For the record, you're the first person in this thread to mention Obama.TPRJones wrote:This whole thing is just an excuse for conservative Christian assholes to be self-righteous and make more Osama/Obama jokes.
Yeah, Obama expressed his opinion about this issue, and that is one of his problems. He keeps sharing his opinion about controversial issues that are really none of his business. When he does that, he just pisses off half the country who now think, right or wrong, "there's another reason this man is an idiot."
Not his job. Keeping his mouth shut would make everyone think he is wise... talking about it just proves to half the people how stupid he is.
In my opinion.
By the way, notice the new Obama-lover meme is "Obama is so unpopular because he does the right thing instead of the popular thing." Started seeing that idea everywhere, yesterday. Must have been another memo.
Hey, look at me, derailing the thread. Stop it.
"Be bold, and mighty forces will come to your aid."
Whew, our government is on it:
Pelosi wants to spend public money to investigate people opposed to the project.
http://www.foxnews.com/politic....-decide
Pelosi wants to spend public money to investigate people opposed to the project.
http://www.foxnews.com/politic....-decide
"Be bold, and mighty forces will come to your aid."
Sure, but that comment wasn't directed at people here.GORDON wrote:For the record, you're the first person in this thread to mention Obama.TPRJones wrote:This whole thing is just an excuse for conservative Christian assholes to be self-righteous and make more Osama/Obama jokes.
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Absolutely right. The Mosque has been there longer. Do I think doingi t was a good idea. No. Is it there right. Yes. To so many people here are worried about our rights.Yes. They are going to make a memorial to 9/11 in the center. Not for the people that caused it either.TPRJones wrote:1) It's not a mosque, it's a community center. Like a YMCA for muslims. That's a big difference, IMO.
2) The reason it's not a mosque and the reason they want to build it there is because it's intended to support one of the largest mosques in New York city. Which is already only a block-and-a-half away from that location. And was there a couple of decades before the towers were originally built.
This whole thing is just an excuse for conservative Christian assholes to be self-righteous and make more Osama/Obama jokes.
In my opinion.
Was at an Internation Festiaval at the Toledo Mosque a few weeks ago. I made money and gave some back. My wife runs the Asain booth at the festival. I was there 10th year having the festival. This year found out thet the Cathlics help support this festival and why. The place in the Mosque where my wife prays is separated in half. Men on left. Woman on the rigrt. The kings or whoever from Arabia said woman pray behind men not side by side. The Imam said no. No more money from Arabia. Good for the Imam here.
In marriage there is always one person right. And the other one is the husband.
As for Obama he spoke his mind and it was twisted out of shape for other people causes. The buck stops here. He said the same thing I do. He said they have the right. He didn't say it might not be a good idea. Religius freedom. Even for none believers. Which seems to be the way it is going. One nation under God. Can I say that?
In marriage there is always one person right. And the other one is the husband.
Islam has an image problem. A local mosque showing they are not beholden to the more extreme, oppressive aspects of the religion would be good PR in general.unkbill wrote:Fine how do I make money on it? Just being Funny, or American.GORDON wrote:That kind of thing should be marketed a bit.
"Be bold, and mighty forces will come to your aid."
I agree. how do I make money from it? Just kidding, Guess I will just have to do it word of mouth, like here. I am tired of taking my kites to the hot as hell festival tent. But Wati is there cooking food. Introduced a knew concept to them this year. The reason my wifes booth makes the most money is she gets all the shit donated. They don't charge the Mosque for the meats or anything like the other countries do so they break even. Amagine that giving more to charity than time. I am very proud of her because that is what she wants to do. Wish Ramadon would end so I could eat before 830 at night. I eat during the day but can't bring myself to eat in front of someone fasting. I know I am a wusy.GORDON wrote:Islam has an image problem. A local mosque showing they are not beholden to the more extreme, oppressive aspects of the religion would be good PR in general.unkbill wrote:Fine how do I make money on it? Just being Funny, or American.GORDON wrote:That kind of thing should be marketed a bit.
In marriage there is always one person right. And the other one is the husband.
I never expected to string these particular words together anytime soon: I think Roger Ebert is right.
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I remember when being certain of anything was a sign of a small mind, unable to see the "nuance" of a situation.TPRJones wrote:I never expected to string these particular words together anytime soon: I think Roger Ebert is right.
Good thing Bush isn't in office any more.
"Be bold, and mighty forces will come to your aid."