No clue what thread to put this in, so I'm making a new one.
Sony and Marvel DID have talks about including Spider-Man in upcoming Marvel films, however the talks fell through. Speculation is that they failed because Sony wanted creative control.
Read that again. Sony, who is failing at making good Spider-Man movies, wanted creative control over Marvel who just made Guardians of the Galaxy into a box office smash.
Why make a billion dollars with Marvel when you can lose money on an Aunt May movie?
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My guess is that was posturing in order to get more money. In the end, only artists care if they have creative control as long as they make wheelbarrows full of money. I suspect the biggest reason Disney/Marvel wants to keep creative control is so they don't suck and prevent them from making wheelbarrows full of money.
Sony will lose some money on the next movie or two and then be willing to make a smaller wheelbarrow full of money in exchange for no stinking up the next movie.
Sony will lose some money on the next movie or two and then be willing to make a smaller wheelbarrow full of money in exchange for no stinking up the next movie.
"... and then I was forced to walk the Trail of Tears." - Elizabeth Warren
In the end, only artists care if they have creative control as long as they make wheelbarrows full of money.
There's one other group that can sometimes obsess about creative control, and was more likely in play here: marketing. They must make sure they don't dilute that oh-so-valuable Spiderman brand!
"ATTENTION: Customers browsing porn must hold magazines with both hands at all times!"
The leaked documents from the Sony hack show that internally they know they're fucking up with the Spider-Man license. Why wouldn't they do whatever they can to get some of that Marvel magic onto their brand? Eventually, people there are going to get pissed about all the money being wasted on mediocre Spider-Man properties and will sell the rights back to Marvel at a reduced rate.
Same thing with Fox and the Fantastic Four. Fox has already let Ghost Rider, Punisher, and Daredevil revert back to Marvel. They didn't even bother trying to sell them back. This is Fox's third try with FF, and you'd have to imagine that once this one fails, they'll let it go too. After all, they're at least not completely fucking up the X-Men.
Same thing with Fox and the Fantastic Four. Fox has already let Ghost Rider, Punisher, and Daredevil revert back to Marvel. They didn't even bother trying to sell them back. This is Fox's third try with FF, and you'd have to imagine that once this one fails, they'll let it go too. After all, they're at least not completely fucking up the X-Men.
“Activism is a way for useless people to feel important, even if the consequences of their activism are counterproductive for those they claim to be helping and damaging to the fabric of society as a whole.” - Dr Thomas Sowell
I would argue that after X-men 3 and the Wolverine: Origins that the X-men movie franchise was gasping for air. The ability to go back in time and undo a lot of storyline damage in Days might be the only thing that saved that franchise.Leisher wrote:After all, they're at least not completely fucking up the X-Men.
"... and then I was forced to walk the Trail of Tears." - Elizabeth Warren
Vince wrote:True, but I would think that these talks were happening at a level much higher than the marketing guys. I would think these discussions happen with the money men.
At a company like Sony, I thought the two were pretty nearly melded into a single monstrous entity at this point.
Actually, make that a three-way with Marketing, Money Men, and Legal.
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"ATTENTION: Customers browsing porn must hold magazines with both hands at all times!"
Sony threatens news organizations for reporting on the hack.
An interesting tidbit in there is that it looks like The Interview is the next thing that will be released by the hackers.
Aaron Sorkin goes off of journalists who are "helping the hackers".
Look, the emails, documents, and videos are out there. Is the media supposed to ignore them? Wouldn't them ignoring these things be bad as well since they'd then be controlled by you?
An interesting tidbit in there is that it looks like The Interview is the next thing that will be released by the hackers.
Aaron Sorkin goes off of journalists who are "helping the hackers".
Look, the emails, documents, and videos are out there. Is the media supposed to ignore them? Wouldn't them ignoring these things be bad as well since they'd then be controlled by you?
“Activism is a way for useless people to feel important, even if the consequences of their activism are counterproductive for those they claim to be helping and damaging to the fabric of society as a whole.” - Dr Thomas Sowell
Viewing these documents is like sexually assaulting Sony?Leisher wrote:Aaron Sorkin goes off of journalists who are "helping the hackers".
Look, the emails, documents, and videos are out there. Is the media supposed to ignore them? Wouldn't them ignoring these things be bad as well since they'd then be controlled by you?
"Be bold, and mighty forces will come to your aid."
...the security breach may be the work of hackers acting on behalf of the government of North Korea.
Oh, fuck you, Sony. Just because someone does something to hurt you doesn't mean they're automatically fucking terrorists.
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"ATTENTION: Customers browsing porn must hold magazines with both hands at all times!"
The embarrassing emails I think are what's damaging Sony most. I think those are probably what Sony's most upset about because it can impact money makers for the next few years. And I think that's where they have the least moral high ground to be lecturing anyone about reporting on what's been leaked.
Who's getting paid what, I can kind of side with Sony. That's no one else's business. Trashing the talent working for you behind their backs? I'm afraid that's on them.
Who's getting paid what, I can kind of side with Sony. That's no one else's business. Trashing the talent working for you behind their backs? I'm afraid that's on them.
"... and then I was forced to walk the Trail of Tears." - Elizabeth Warren
I get their argument. These were private emails, and they're wondering if the MSM is crossing a line and actually helping the crime by reporting what was in them.
However, the MSM is simply reporting what's out there, not things that are still private. Follow me?
If the MSM needs to shut up about this, then what else are we going to determine to be off limits for them? Do we really want corporations to control the media?
However, the MSM is simply reporting what's out there, not things that are still private. Follow me?
If the MSM needs to shut up about this, then what else are we going to determine to be off limits for them? Do we really want corporations to control the media?
“Activism is a way for useless people to feel important, even if the consequences of their activism are counterproductive for those they claim to be helping and damaging to the fabric of society as a whole.” - Dr Thomas Sowell
But they are reporting on things that were only available because they illegally obtained. If someone steals the source code of a video game, can the MSM reprint the source code?Leisher wrote:I get their argument. These were private emails, and they're wondering if the MSM is crossing a line and actually helping the crime by reporting what was in them.
However, the MSM is simply reporting what's out there, not things that are still private. Follow me?
If the MSM needs to shut up about this, then what else are we going to determine to be off limits for them? Do we really want corporations to control the media?
I didn't read the article above, but it seems to me that illegally obtained material should not be reported on, unless there are compelling public interests (ie. a crime being committed, etc). I see none here.
It's not me, it's someone else.
Fair enough, but isn't reporting the actual incident itself still helping the hackers? Maybe CNN didn't publish the Jennifer Lawrence nudes, but telling folks they were in existence allowed those folks to go looking for them.
Same thing here.
And I don't stop with Sony. Look at how many scandals didn't involve crimes, yet the MSM reported the shit out of them.
Are you saying the line should be on crimes alone?
What about Sony stockholders? Don't they deserve to know the details of the shit that's come out about the company they're invested in?
Same thing here.
And I don't stop with Sony. Look at how many scandals didn't involve crimes, yet the MSM reported the shit out of them.
Are you saying the line should be on crimes alone?
What about Sony stockholders? Don't they deserve to know the details of the shit that's come out about the company they're invested in?
“Activism is a way for useless people to feel important, even if the consequences of their activism are counterproductive for those they claim to be helping and damaging to the fabric of society as a whole.” - Dr Thomas Sowell