Ebola - cuz it needs its own thread...

Post by **GORDON** » Fri Oct 17, 2014 9:19 am

My kid goes bowling with this school group on Fridays. He didn't want to go tonight. I asked why. He said because there would be ebowla, there.

Post by **Troy** » Fri Oct 17, 2014 1:04 pm

Your kid is gonna be that guy who walks around recess with hand sanitizer bottles in holsters. Don't let him be that guy.

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Post by **GORDON** » Fri Oct 17, 2014 1:05 pm

Troy wrote:Your kid is gonna be that guy who walks around recess with hand sanitizer bottles in holsters. Don't let him be that guy.

I'm really working on it. His mother already has him wound up tight as hell.

Post by **TPRJones** » Fri Oct 17, 2014 1:18 pm

One other thing to consider about the CDC is that their mandate and power as a governmental institution is pretty limited. They don't have the power to come in and take over a hospital or what have you. Their power is almost purely advisory unless specifically requested to render aid, and even then they probably don't have the manpower on hand to do anything too major.

That's why they issue advisories and opinions and go with the assumption that the local medical staff are competent enough to do as recommended. Because that's what they're allowed to do.

Perhaps they should have more power for emergencies? I don't know, in general I'm not a big fan of giving federal agencies authority to go out and stomp on local autonomy. But some people are.

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Post by **GORDON** » Fri Oct 17, 2014 1:21 pm

If CDC doesn't have power to come in, FEMA certainly does, and FEMA can use the CDC as a resource.

Malcolm · Post by **Malcolm** » Fri Oct 17, 2014 2:01 pm

The solution? More oversight.

Post by **GORDON** » Fri Oct 17, 2014 2:08 pm

Well Obama needs to have SOMEONE to throw under the bus.

Malcolm · Post by **Malcolm** » Fri Oct 17, 2014 2:11 pm

Ridley Scott and ebola.

Malcolm · Post by **Malcolm** » Fri Oct 17, 2014 2:16 pm

May I recommend some equipment to draw blood, a super soaker, and a trip to Congress?

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Post by **GORDON** » Fri Oct 17, 2014 3:58 pm

TPRJones wrote:One other thing to consider about the CDC is that their mandate and power as a governmental institution is pretty limited. They don't have the power to come in and take over a hospital or what have you. Their power is almost purely advisory unless specifically requested to render aid, and even then they probably don't have the manpower on hand to do anything too major.

That's why they issue advisories and opinions and go with the assumption that the local medical staff are competent enough to do as recommended. Because that's what they're allowed to do.

Perhaps they should have more power for emergencies? I don't know, in general I'm not a big fan of giving federal agencies authority to go out and stomp on local autonomy. But some people are.

Watched an episode of House during lunch today when there was smallpox in the hospital and the CDC came in and took over and locked it down.

Are you saying House is inaccurate?

Post by **TPRJones** » Fri Oct 17, 2014 5:10 pm

GORDON wrote:If CDC doesn't have power to come in, FEMA certainly does, and FEMA can use the CDC as a resource.

FEMA can't come in unless the state in question makes an official request. Remember how everyone yelled at Bush for FEMA not going into New Orleans after Katrina even though they couldn't because the governor of Louisiana hadn't asked them to?

Post by **GORDON** » Fri Oct 17, 2014 5:41 pm

TPRJones wrote:
GORDON wrote:If CDC doesn't have power to come in, FEMA certainly does, and FEMA can use the CDC as a resource.
FEMA can't come in unless the state in question makes an official request. Remember how everyone yelled at Bush for FEMA not going into New Orleans after Katrina even though they couldn't because the governor of Louisiana hadn't asked them to?

Yes, I do remember that, now that you mention it.

I have become accustomed to Obama just doing whatever he wants in spite of the law. The CDC would have closed the border from west Africa if Obama told them to. I see all of this as his failure.

Post by **Vince** » Mon Oct 20, 2014 6:44 am

TPRJones wrote:That's why they issue advisories and opinions and go with the assumption that the local medical staff are competent enough to do as recommended. Because that's what they're allowed to do.

Looking at the testimony from the head of the CDC last week, they don't even seem to be doing that very well. The hospital staff made some mistakes, but they were also given piss poor advice as well. And to assume every US hospital staff if proficient with level 4 containment protocols indicates that too many in the CDC are products of academia and have never spent much time in a US hospital seeming what they deal with every day. It ain't level 4 containment illnesses.

I'd feel better if the CDC brought in someone from Doctors Without Borders that actually have had to deal with this on a daily basis while helping over there to advise them.

Post by **TPRJones** » Mon Oct 20, 2014 11:55 am

Agreed, something along those lines would have been perfect.

But the CDC is kind of dumb when it comes to messaging. You know, like NASA public relations.

Post by **TheCatt** » Mon Oct 20, 2014 4:21 pm

Ebloa hard to spread.

I have a doctor appointment Wednesday. Got asked about Ebola exposure.

Post by **GORDON** » Mon Oct 20, 2014 4:27 pm

Yesterday at an amusement park. They play music videos for you to watch while on queue. Toto's "Africa" came on. The kid and I were changing the lyrics....

First line:

"The infected cry out in the night..."

Chorus:

"I got ebola down in Aaaafrica!"

And lots of other stuff that I can't remember any more. Something about breaking quarantine to get soup.

Funnier in the moment.

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Malcolm · Post by **Malcolm** » Mon Oct 20, 2014 8:25 pm

"It's gonna take a lot to drag me away from you. It's nothing that a hundred CCs of antibodies could ever do."

Post by **GORDON** » Mon Oct 20, 2014 8:29 pm

"Gonna break quarantine to go down and get some sooo-o-o-ooooooo-o-o-ooooooup."

Malcolm · Post by **Malcolm** » Mon Oct 20, 2014 8:49 pm

"I dodged the docs down in Africa..."

Malcolm · Post by **Malcolm** » Mon Oct 20, 2014 9:57 pm

"I got that strain down in Africa..."