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Heh... I was just thinking of that the other day. How the Libertarian party seems to want to stay small and without influence. Not that I disagree with legalizing drugs, but if that's what you're going to lead with every time ("Hi, I'm Joe Blow and if you elect be, I'll legalize pot!") then you're showing everyone that your priorities are too screwed to allow you any sort of consideration. Of all the things that need to be addressed here and you want to lead with that? Really? Is that your final answer?
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Vince wrote:Heh... I was just thinking of that the other day. How the Libertarian party seems to want to stay small and without influence. Not that I disagree with legalizing drugs, but if that's what you're going to lead with every time ("Hi, I'm Joe Blow and if you elect be, I'll legalize pot!") then you're showing everyone that your priorities are too screwed to allow you any sort of consideration. Of all the things that need to be addressed here and you want to lead with that? Really? Is that your final answer?
I agree with that.

Legalizing pot should be a back burner issue. Putting it on your own front page makes you look immature.
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I don't know, I can see legalization being a high priority issue if you consider that we have the highest prison populations per capita in the world and the vast majority are in there for non-violent drug crimes, one could argue that changing the laws to stop locking up most of an entire generation isn't a small issue.

If it were just about recreation I would agree, but it's really not.




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TPRJones wrote:... one could argue that changing the laws to stop locking up most of an entire generation isn't a small issue.

If it were just about recreation I would agree, but it's really not.
Sorry, I still consider it a small issue by comparison. And if we've really locked up most of a generation because they were either not smart enough not to get caught, or had too poor of impulse control then we have worse troubles than the illegal drugs (which goes back to my original point).
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I can see legalization being a high priority issue if you consider that we have the highest prison populations per capita in the world and the vast majority are in there for non-violent drug crimes...

That's my primary practical argument (taxability and regulation come in second and third) for legalizing at least bud.

And if we've really locked up most of a generation because they were either not smart enough not to get caught, or had too poor of impulse control then we have worse troubles than the illegal drugs (which goes back to my original point).

That does get on my nerves. It's not like you have to be a genius or a covert agent to get away with most ganja-related crimes. However, stupidity is not a criminal offense ... yet.
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Vince wrote:
TPRJones wrote:... one could argue that changing the laws to stop locking up most of an entire generation isn't a small issue.

If it were just about recreation I would agree, but it's really not.

Sorry, I still consider it a small issue by comparison. And if we've really locked up most of a generation because they were either not smart enough not to get caught, or had too poor of impulse control then we have worse troubles than the illegal drugs (which goes back to my original point).

The weed issue is bigger still, though. Yes, it would reduce prison populations. It'll also put petty dealers out of business. It'll also generate sin tax revenue. It'll also hurt drug cartels, to some extent. It'll also reduce the power of the DEA. It'll also reduce the government's ability to confiscate your house and car and boat because they found a joint in it. It'll also reduce the excuses of the local pigs to "think they smelled reefer" so that gives them probable cause to sit your ass down on the side of the road while they spend 2 hours searching your car.

A lot of abuses are acceptable now because of the War on Drugs. Reducing what is illegal might alleviate some of that.

Or not.

But I am willing to give it a chance if the only danger is people having more freedom to smoke a joint.




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FDA rejects drug. Why?
The FDA hasn't officially made a ruling on the drug's status, but the administration typically follows the decisions arrived at by its panels.

... unless you bribe the appropriate officials...
Zohydro is expected to hit the U.S. market this month after the FDA cleared the painkiller in last year, overruling its panel of outside advisers who recommended against approval, citing safety concerns about the potential for abuse.

Gee, I wonder why the tiny Australia-based pharm company got slapped down while San Diego-based one got approved.
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It's also a fairly hypocritical thing for the FDA to approve an insanely powerful opiate when the US Attorney General just got finished bitching about the number of heroin ODs.

Experts agree with Malcolm.
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Malcolm wrote:
And if we've really locked up most of a generation because they were either not smart enough not to get caught, or had too poor of impulse control then we have worse troubles than the illegal drugs (which goes back to my original point).
That does get on my nerves. It's not like you have to be a genius or a covert agent to get away with most ganja-related crimes.
So, Malcolm of September, do you have anything new to say on this point made by Malcolm of April?

Just curious. :p
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The way I read it, Malcolm's mistake was being with the people he was with.
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TPRJones wrote:
Malcolm wrote:
And if we've really locked up most of a generation because they were either not smart enough not to get caught, or had too poor of impulse control then we have worse troubles than the illegal drugs (which goes back to my original point).

That does get on my nerves. It's not like you have to be a genius or a covert agent to get away with most ganja-related crimes.

So, Malcolm of September, do you have anything new to say on this point made by Malcolm of April?

Just curious. :p

When the fascist pig assholes are putting up mandatory checkpoints and leaning half their body inside your car, shit's different. I still fail to see how it wasn't an illegal stop and search. Safety checkpoint my ass. We were doing nothing that would have warranted a traffic stop. All of us had amounts small enough such that we could've ingested them had our bags been in the front seat.

If I knew the cops and lawmakers in Iowa had dicks so tiny that they set up blockades to catch non-violent drug offenders, we would've driven through Illinois and taken a 30-45 minute detour through Wisconsin.

Had I been thinking ahead, I would have taken the smallest piece I had and preprocessed the buds into a more granular substance. There are a couple semi-hidden compartments in my backpack that are hard to notice unless you know how to spot them. Also, they 100% skipped checking the spare tire compartment.




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Hate to say it, but this is the primary reason I got USMC Veteran license plates on all my vehicles, why I keep my hair short, and why I am white. When a cop pulls me over, he doesn't automatically suspect me of carrying, claiming, "I smell weed. Step out of the car."
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GORDON wrote:Hate to say it, but this is the primary reason I got USMC Veteran license plates on all my vehicles, why I keep my hair short, and why I am white. When a cop pulls me over, he doesn't automatically suspect me of carrying, claiming, "I smell weed. Step out of the car."
As I said, one of the dudes I was with had an unspiked mohawk and the other looked like a biker with his ear studs, beard, tattoos, and sunglasses. Coupled with the out-of-state plates, we were fucked.
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