Detroit defaults on debt

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This is like throwing a single buffalo wing into a starving herd of coyotes.
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Former Detroit mayor sentenced to 28 years for stealing $5M.
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Detroit don't give a fuck.
The church off Gratiot, six miles from downtown, is home to Precinct 109, which Stephens has staffed since she was 16. It has only two registered voters. And by 7 p.m., neither had showed.

Awesome.
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Malcolm wrote:Detroit don't give a fuck.
The church off Gratiot, six miles from downtown, is home to Precinct 109, which Stephens has staffed since she was 16. It has only two registered voters. And by 7 p.m., neither had showed.
Awesome.
More like "The church off Gratiot, six miles from downtown, is home to Precinct 109, which Stephens has staffed since she was 16. It has only two registered voters. And by 7 p.m., neither had showed. 57 votes were received for Obama."
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Detroit 2012 election results by precinct.

There are multiple precincts with 0 voters. I don't know which one 109 is, though.
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Wow.
News leaking out this week from the Motor City tells how the enormous gap between the pensions workers earned and the money set aside to pay for them will be closed. By stealing from the workers.

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This is nothing short of theft, as pensions are simply deferred wages, that is, money that workers could have taken as cash in their regular paychecks had they not opted to set it aside.

Those particular pensions were nothing short of theft from the taxpayers, you ignorant fuckhole.
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Perhaps, but nonetheless this is compensation earned but not being paid. And if it becomes legal precedent it could potentially apply to everyone's retirement funds someday, not just some public sector retirees in Detroit.

Also, it completely ignores the state constitution. This is a judge making shit up as he goes along instead of enforcing the law.

I suspect this will be overturned on appeal somewhere down the line.
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How do you see them getting paid when the city has no cash?
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Oh, I'm not sure they'll ever get paid, but this particular ruling will be overturned for certain. Pensions will get pushed up to be the #1 creditors in line to take whatever is left of the city during the bankruptcy. But that still doesn't guarantee payment, just increases the odds.

Although I wouldn't be surprised if a subsequent ruling even goes so far as to determine that after the city comes out of bankruptcy they will still owe the pensions, that the pensions are bankruptcy-proof. That would be in line with state law.

I'm thinking at this point that the city should just be completely dissolved, and the land returned to unincorporated county status. Then make new smaller cities out of the bits where people still live.




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Water occasionally shutting off. Kind of like brownouts, except in liquid form.
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Malcolm wrote:Water occasionally shutting off. Kind of like brownouts, except in liquid form.
Judge sides with drought.
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Greatest. City. Ever.
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Malcolm wrote:
Malcolm wrote:Water occasionally shutting off. Kind of like brownouts, except in liquid form.
Judge sides with drought.
Rhodes's order served as a stinging rejection of arguments made by thousands of protesters who staged rallies last summer fighting shutoffs and argued that there is a fundamental right to water service.

"There is no such right or law," Rhodes said.


Yet somehow there is a right to health care.
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Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha.
In Detroit’s crumbling schools, where the threat of insolvency means that basic repairs, supplies and even teachers are in short supply, 13 principals conspired with a vendor to defraud the system, siphoning away millions of dollars, federal agents and prosecutors charged on Tuesday.

Let's give them some more bailout money.
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I wonder why they didn't have any cash left.
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Darden, a former director of grant development... The charge was filed in federal court...
Sounds like it was never Detroit's money in the first place. She wrote a grant to get federal dollars and then stole those dollars from the fed. Detroit was just the funnel.

Shouldn't have an impact on Detroit. Well, unless the feds make Detroit pay back the grant money she stole.
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Did the feds not grant the cash to Detroit, who then misspent it?
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