The NYC (large) soda ban

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This was a good commentary on it, I thought:

http://lileks.com/bleats/archive/12/0612/060512.html

A culture that redefines food choices as moral issues will demonize the people who don’t share the tastes of the priest class. A culture that elevates eating to some holistic act of ethical self-definition - localvore, low-carbon-impact food, fair trade, artisanal cheese - will find the casual carefree choices of the less-enlightened as an affront to their belief system. Leave it to Americans to invent a Puritan strain of Epicurianism.


I know it was argued way-back-when that when they decided to make health care a social issue, when the government started paying for unhealthy lifestyle choices, that the government would then start regulating those lifestyle choices.

I remember lots of "slippery-slope arguments are not valid" dismissals from peeps who like the idea of nationalized medicine.

And yet here we are, and some say, "You say 'regulating unhealthy lifestyle choices' like it is a bad thing."

Creationists on one side, people banning large Pepsi on the other. I don't want to live on this planet any more.
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My favorite part is that of course people will just buy multiple sodas. In the end no one will lose weight, and the only effect will be killing more trees to make cups and filling up the landfills even faster.

I always find it hilarious when the hippie policies just end up "destroying" their precious environment.
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How do refills fit into this picture?
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That's fine for restaurants, but what about baseball games and movies and other event venues? Who's going to be willing to keep going back for 16oz refills there?

Although, if the law is badly written enough, maybe they'll just stop selling sodas altogether. Instead you can buy their nifty 64oz cup, and oh by the way here's some free soda for it.
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TPRJones wrote:That's fine for restaurants, but what about baseball games and movies and other event venues? Who's going to be willing to keep going back for 16oz refills there?
The vendors don't care, they will still charge the same for the 16oz that they charged for the jumbo size, because you don't have any alternative in the park.
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This is the same type of "mother state" bullshit logic that went into SF banning toys in kid meals.

The government doesn't have the right to tell me how much of a beverage I'm allowed to purchase at any given time.
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NAACP says the big drink ban is racist.

In a bit of a saner argument, other folks joining the NAACP in the lawsuit claim it hamstrings some businesses, while allowing other to continue selling larger drinks.
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That's not news. The NAACP declaring something is not racist, now that would be news.
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TPRJones wrote:That's not news. The NAACP declaring something is not racist, now that would be news.
Right? (Said in Archer's voice.)
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Mayor tells NAACP to go to hell.
Why doesn't he just say, "I'm a Democrat, I am infallible, and I know what's best for you." I wonder if they'll remember when the next election rolls around.
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Law increases plastic waste.
Domino’s locations across the city are doing away with big bottles of soda, one delivery man told the Post. Customers will have to order smaller bottles, which cost more and increase plastic waste. It doesn’t seem to matter that the big bottles are typically meant to be shared – as are the pitchers of soda served up at kids’ pizza parties.

But hey, it's worth it to protect people from themselves, right?
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Malcolm wrote:Why doesn't he just say, "I'm a Democrat, I am infallible, and I know what's best for you."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Bloomberg
A Democrat before seeking elective office, Bloomberg switched his registration in 2001 and ran for mayor as a Republican, winning the election that year and a second term in 2005. Bloomberg left the Republican Party over policy and philosophical disagreements with national party leadership in 2007. In 2008, Bloomberg campaigned to change the city's term limits law and ran for his third term in 2009 as an Independent candidate on the Republican ballot line.
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Propose that we send that judge a fruit basket. Or soda basket.
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What worries me is that the judge is using unfair business practices as the basis for his decision instead of just saying, "It's not the government's job to tell people what they can and can't eat. If they want a large soda, that's their choice."
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Leisher wrote:What worries me is that the judge is using unfair business practices as the basis for his decision instead of just saying, "It's not the government's job to tell people what they can and can't eat. If they want a large soda, that's their choice."
I'll take a win on a technicality.
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Take the win, but the problem is lawyers/politicians can find ways around technicalities.

I realize the business argument is huge, legit, and quite easy to fight, but fuck, can one person in power please stand up and say, "Business issues aside, this law is unconstitutional because the government doesn't have the power or right to tell people what they can and can't eat."
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They will never admit there's a hint of the possibility they don't know what's best for you. Every politician sees you as an ATM that dispenses cash and votes when certain buttons get pressed.
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