GORDON wrote:The Predalien in the "AvP2" game was definately a pain in the ass.
I'm still trying to figure out why the Alien chestjumping from the dead Predator got some Pred features when the ones that come from humans look precisely like the normal Aliens.
Are all the Aliens we've seen (except the hybrid in this clip) ultimately from humans? Is there some weird thing betwixt the Aliens & Preds s.t. when a facehugger manages to subdue a Pred the resultant critter is a mix of the two? Does the host DNA have any effect on the developing Alien DNA in general or just in special cases?
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I was writing that while you must've been posting your complaints about the same thing.
It makes no sense whatsoever that a Predator would birth a better Alien. Now if someone created one in a lab and used DNA from both yes, but otherwise, why wouldn't Aliens that hatched from birds be able to fly? Or the ones from humans have opposable thumbs and an affinity for beer?
The whole hybrid thing is a cheap story device that pisses all over the established details of the characters.
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The only out I see is if there is some connection between the Preds & Aliens. But since G brought up things about dogs & such, then perhaps there's something specifically innocuous about humans s.t. when facehuggers use humans for hosts, we lack some, I dunno ... thing, that enables them to assimilate our features. Maybe there're other species besides humans that've the same effect. There's ways to dig themselves outta this. They just gotta be creative. Which means they're probably fucked.
If the Aliens that come from humans are ultimately a bit more tame than other things, then that would explain why the Preds came to Earth & used humans in AvP instead of monkeys or something.
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Diogenes of Sinope: "It is not that I am mad, it is only that my head is different from yours."
Arnold Judas Rimmer, BSC, SSC: "Better dead than smeg."
You really need to read Volume 1 of the Aliens versus Predator Omnibus. It explains a lot more about the Predators than you've ever seen before. Very cool stuff. It also explains how Aliens are able to travel throughout space, which is REALLY cool while also being enormously fucked up. (I'm trying not to spoil the book for anyone, but I'm sure if one thought about it, they'd figure out how the Aliens travel from planet to planet. Yes, they can move between worlds without space faring inhabitants.)
In Volume 2, they made a human-predator-alien hybrid, which I thought was made in a lab...
The whole concept is still stupid. Even if they could explain the DNA getting inside the alien as it gestates within its host, then why doesn't it happen with all of them. The human borne alien was 8 feet or so tall? Then the one that burst out from the giant they found in the original film should've been 20-30 feet tall. One burst from a bird should only be 2 feet tall and fly.
Dumb. Dumb. Dumb.
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It was better than the first. The good news is, however, the Predator is bad-ass again. There's no surprise ambush that takes out the majority of a company. More good news is that they don't pull punches on violence. Children, women, pregnant women, they're all fair game here & many heads are shown being abused in various entertaining physical ways.
Bad news. The characters are generic as hell. They get about as deep as your average Dawson's Creek episode. Not that I'm going to AvP to see plot or character or think or shit like that. But, damn, except for the tits, they all feel very interchangeable.
& now, the ugly news. I've got two major complaints. Firstly, the Predator folk did ... illogical things (which I'll go into in a spoiler thread). Certainly not the sort of shit you expect them to do when duking it out w\ aliens (one of which, the hybrid, is effectively on steroids). Secondly, it took far, far, far, FAR too long for any interesting action to develop. The first 30-45 minutes is lame-ass character development, angsty teen relationship bullshit, & the various villains offing insignificant people. The flick is only about 90 minutes long.
Better than the first (just cos the Predators get to be bad-ass again & not drop like flies), still not even half the level of bad-assedness of Predator, Alien, or Aliens. I gotta call this a renter.
Diogenes of Sinope: "It is not that I am mad, it is only that my head is different from yours."
Arnold Judas Rimmer, BSC, SSC: "Better dead than smeg."
GORDON wrote:The Predalien in the "AvP2" game was definately a pain in the ass.
I'm still trying to figure out why the Alien chestjumping from the dead Predator got some Pred features when the ones that come from humans look precisely like the normal Aliens.
Are all the Aliens we've seen (except the hybrid in this clip) ultimately from humans? Is there some weird thing betwixt the Aliens & Preds s.t. when a facehugger manages to subdue a Pred the resultant critter is a mix of the two? Does the host DNA have any effect on the developing Alien DNA in general or just in special cases?
That was actually the original premise in the first Alien. That they take on very basic characteristics from the original host. Kind of a hybrid of the alien DNA and the host DNA so that the alien would be sustainable on any planet that supported any life.
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So, the vast majority of aliens seen in the flicks have been spawned from humans? I'll give some leeway in AvP : Requiem as it appeared the Predator watching the shit go down on the ship gave special attention to the few frames he saw the hybrid in. So maybe the Preds are aware that really, really bad things happen when they get an egg shoved inside them. But, in that case, wouldn't they've at least done a scan on the Pred corpse at the end of AvP before they left it alone on the ship? You know, to make sure that such shit didn't occur?
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Arnold Judas Rimmer, BSC, SSC: "Better dead than smeg."
Vince wrote:No. That was the premise in Alien. Then it went from being a sci-fi horror movie to to an action/monster flick in Aliens.
In AvP : Requiem, the alien-Pred hybrid pops out from Predator that died at the end of AvP. The Predators obviously notice the hybrid from the, I dunno, distress signal sent. Not part of the plan. Given that the Preds know their friend died taking on aliens, would it not be prudent of them to do some remedial scan just to make sure the dead Pred wasn't a host?
Diogenes of Sinope: "It is not that I am mad, it is only that my head is different from yours."
Arnold Judas Rimmer, BSC, SSC: "Better dead than smeg."
I believe in Predator II, the Predator skipped a woman *because* he saw that she was carrying a fetus. And in the original AVP, it skips killing Weyland because it sees that he has a bad ticker.
You'd think that they could see the gestating alien in their dead comrade.
Paul wrote:I believe in Predator II, the Predator skipped a woman *because* he saw that she was carrying a fetus. And in the original AVP, it skips killing Weyland because it sees that he has a bad ticker.
You'd think that they could see the gestating alien in their dead comrade.
Yeah, w\ their helmets & shit. & didn't the Pred in AvP manage to see all the yet-to-be chestbursters at the end? Right before he broke its neck w\ his bare hands/claws/whatever?
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Arnold Judas Rimmer, BSC, SSC: "Better dead than smeg."
GORDON wrote:I recall the chest bursters were resistant to medical scans, in some way.
I'd swear to Jeebus that there was a scene in AvP & the Pred saw the chestburster in someone. Perhaps the archaeologist dude (the one w\ the bottle cap necklace)? Wasn't there some sequence where it switches to the Pred's view, he sees it in the dude's body, it jumps at him, he catches it, & snaps its neck?
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Arnold Judas Rimmer, BSC, SSC: "Better dead than smeg."
I don't remember the Predator seeing yet-to-pop chestbursters in people. Nor do I remember it breaking "its" neck (whatever "it" is).
They can identify "hosts" in the books.
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GORDON wrote:I recall the chest bursters were resistant to medical scans, in some way.
I'd swear to Jeebus that there was a scene in AvP & the Pred saw the chestburster in someone. Perhaps the archaeologist dude (the one w\ the bottle cap necklace)? Wasn't there some sequence where it switches to the Pred's view, he sees it in the dude's body, it jumps at him, he catches it, & snaps its neck?
I only watched AvP once, and that was years ago... don't remember.
I remember in Alien they didn't see anything in the guy's medical scan, but then in Alien 3 Ripley got a 3D image of the one in her. So I don't know what the rule is.
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If the Preds are bright enough to bind, freeze, & thaw out a queen, then I'm relatively confident they can figure out if you're a host.
Diogenes of Sinope: "It is not that I am mad, it is only that my head is different from yours."
Arnold Judas Rimmer, BSC, SSC: "Better dead than smeg."
GORDON wrote:I recall the chest bursters were resistant to medical scans, in some way.
I'd swear to Jeebus that there was a scene in AvP & the Pred saw the chestburster in someone. Perhaps the archaeologist dude (the one w\ the bottle cap necklace)? Wasn't there some sequence where it switches to the Pred's view, he sees it in the dude's body, it jumps at him, he catches it, & snaps its neck?
I vaguely remember that scene. I don't recall him seeing it in the guy, but I DO remember him catching the hatchling right as it popped out and breaking its neck.
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I'm sure AvP will be on Sci-Fi again before too long.
Diogenes of Sinope: "It is not that I am mad, it is only that my head is different from yours."
Arnold Judas Rimmer, BSC, SSC: "Better dead than smeg."