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http://texas-holdem-lingo.com/flashcards.php

A neat little poker tool. I'm almost always within 2% of estimating the odds, but it seems that the odds always fall within a percentage point of the choices. That it, I'll estimate the answer is 30% but the choices will be A 10%-19.9%, B 20%-29.9%, C 30%-39.9%, or D 40%-49.9%
Then I'll pick B and the get it wrong because actual answer is 30.5%. Doh!

I played in a tournament last Thursday. 99 entrants.
I just wasn't in the mood to play, and even blogged about my wishy-washyness about playing before the game.

One guy was extremely lucky. He knocked a player out on the third hand of the game, then another on the fifth hand, then another on about the 12th hand.
He had a classic "that flop didn't help me" tell that I picked up on.
Midway through the tournament I was big blind and called when an short stack (two big blinds) went all-in and the maniac called. I only had 10/4, but I figured he was calling just to get her money, so I figured had okay odds, and great implied odds against the maniac.
The flop was K/Q/4, pairing my 4. I could tell that that flop didn't help him any.
He made a bet of half the pot and I raised. Then he put me all-in.
Doh!
I figured I was beat at that point (guessing pocket queens), but I honestly wasn't having fun in the game and would have been happy to have been knocked out then. So I gambled and called.
He had pocket Aces, and I failed to hit any of my 5 outs, so he knocked me out of the game as well.

It feels good to lose to lose when I'm a dog. It's welcome change from being crushed on the river by a four-outer.

5 of us went. One made it to 8th place, and the other to 6th place.
We'll all go again in the 28th I think, and I hope to have my head in the game this time.




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I've been listening to Adam Carolla's show on Free FM in the morning. The Hustler Casino in L.A. plays commercials, highlighting their new Fast Deal Poker.

Basically, it's electronic poker that you play face to face against your opponents. Each player at the table has their own screen where he/she can see the hand that the computer dealt them. I guess they can call/bet/fold via the touchscreen.

Amateurs will like it as it makes it harder for them to embarrass themselves. Good players will like it as there are a lot more games per hour.

I think it's a good idea.
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Paul wrote:http://texas-holdem-lingo.com/flashcards.php

A neat little poker tool. I'm almost always within 2% of estimating the odds, but it seems that the odds always fall within a percentage point of the choices.
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This was the toughest question yet. I only got it because I got lucky. I think I estimated "about 20%" and just got lucky picking the low side.

I'm usually about 80% in getting these questions right, as I try not to dwell on them too much and when you have to answer a specific question about the odds against two other hands, it can be tricky.
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The problem with it is that it's great for learning to impress your buddies while watching poker on ESPN, but in real games you only get to see your cards and the ones on the board. Knowing the odds based on what the other hands are doesn't help, because those other hands are a mystery.
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I wouldn't call it a problem exactly. Practicing knowing your odds is good practice. If you put a player on top pair, it's good to know if you have the pot odds to call or min-raise to keep the betting under control.
So really, it's only a piece in the puzzle, but a pretty significant piece.

But yeah, the only time you'll see your opponents cards to make an accurate calculation are when it's too late to make any other moves.

When my father was over for my daughter's birthday last month we watched poker, and I'd give him the odds before the TV had a chance to put it up.
Yeah, I did it to impress him.




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Anyone interested in a DTMan poker game? Maybe some small buy-in, or just for bragging rights. Whatever.
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TheCatt wrote:Anyone interested in a DTMan poker game? Maybe some small buy-in, or just for bragging rights. Whatever.
Cake has to blow the winner.
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I'm going all in on a 2-8
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TheCatt wrote:Anyone interested in a DTMan poker game? Maybe some small buy-in, or just for bragging rights. Whatever.
We talking some electronic means, yes?
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Yes.

I tried to come up with some snarkier response, but I'm too tired. On the bright side, law class is now over.
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Where would we play?

What poker site allows you to make private games?

I won't play until Friday. I have a tournament this Thursday and don't want to play any poker until I play that game.
I plan on crushing it BTW. I'll have to get bad beat out of that tournament, as I'm in a really good place poker-wise right now.




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I was hoping you or TPR would have a suggestion as to the where. I dont play online, so I have no clue.
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I've been listening to Adam Carolla's show on Free FM in the morning. The Hustler Casino in L.A. plays commercials, highlighting their new Fast Deal Poker.

Basically, it's electronic poker that you play face to face against your opponents. Each player at the table has their own screen where he/she can see the hand that the computer dealt them. I guess they can call/bet/fold via the touchscreen.

Amateurs will like it as it makes it harder for them to embarrass themselves. Good players will like it as there are a lot more games per hour.

I think it's a good idea.


I'm not sure that I like this idea at all. It'd be nice if they could just keep the chip count on the electronic portion, but let the cards be real. Every poker game I've ever played has felt fake. Hell, I had never seen a Royal Flush in my life, but saw two on Party Poker.

That's a very common complaint about the electronic games, you see the big hands way too much. You can have 4 guys in a pot and two will have full houses, one a flush, and one a straight.

I do not trust electronic dealing.
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The dealing is fine, the problem is one of player perception. Many players are marginally more likely to stay in an electronic hand where they would fold if they were holding real cards. It's a small difference, but it's enough to have more hits of the less likely hands turn up in the long run on hole cards what wouldn't have made it to the flop if they were physical.
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Why is one more likely to fold if one has physical cards?
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For players who started with real cards, it's more real. It's the same reason that casinos have moved to those paper tickets for their slot machines. With real coins and cash players are more likely to cash out when they are up than if they have a little slip of paper to stick into another machine.

It's not true of everyone, and it's not always true of anyone, but it's just enough of a difference to increase profits for the casino slightly. And in poker it's enough of a difference to make it necessary to use different playstyles with real cards versus electronic ones.
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TPRJones wrote:For players who started with real cards, it's more real. It's the same reason that casinos have moved to those paper tickets for their slot machines. With real coins and cash players are more likely to cash out when they are up than if they have a little slip of paper to stick into another machine.

It's not true of everyone, and it's not always true of anyone, but it's just enough of a difference to increase profits for the casino slightly. And in poker it's enough of a difference to make it necessary to use different playstyles with real cards versus electronic ones.
So, out of sight, out of mind? If you don't see the cash you're losing in real time, it makes it easier to give more away? Heh. Genius.
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Exactly. And like I say it's a small effect, but overall it adds up. I think that's the main difference between playing online poker versus real-life poker, too. And it'll be a factor even in the real-life with fake cards poker, mark my words.

As to a DTMan game, I'm in. We need to find a place that'll let us do private tables. And if we want to wager it doesn't even have to be a cash gambling site, we could do a DTMan tourney where everyone Paypal's their entry charge to the winner after we're done. Plus doing it that way would let everyone pick whether they want to wager or not (announced in advance) and the highest placing wager player wins the pot.

But for cash or for fun, either way I'm in.
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So... does anywhere allow private tables? I remember a while ago a few of us played on Sierra's website, but I dont recall if we could make it private or not.
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I thought Party Poker had private tables, but I could be wrong. Maybe ESPN's does?

I thought the Sierra site sucked.
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