With all the miraculous healing going on, a little resurection wouldn't be all that shocking. Plus if some people can come back from the dead, that would help explain how Desmond survived being blown all to hell and gone with the hatch.
I'm curious about children on the island. There aren't many (or any, now that Walt is gone). So when we first saw the others - when Ecko and whoever it was he was with was hiding in the bushes and the others walked silently past so all we saw was their bare feet - there was a small child dragging a teddy bear. Who was that?
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I think that was the same teddy bear that the boy and girl from the tail section had. So it would have been them, post abduction.
Obviously there are no children because, while men are super-potent, women who get knocked up die in their third trimester.
Makes me wonder is Sawyer knocked up Kate?
I bet the "Other" women are frigid.
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Obviously there are no children because, while men are super-potent, women who get knocked up die in their third trimester.
Makes me wonder is Sawyer knocked up Kate?
I bet the "Other" women are frigid.
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TPRJones wrote:Ah, I didn't know the tailies had kids that were abducted. I missed that bit.
WHAT?
The kids were Zack and Emma. Remember when Jack was in the cage and all those people gathered outside the cage to "watch" when Juliette was on trial?
Those people outside the cage were Tailies. I'm pretty sure Zack and Emma were there.
Since people can't have kids on the island, I assume the kids are adopted by the Others and raised as their own (like Alex).
Oh yeah... and Tom is a gay homosexual if you haven't figured that out yet.
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There's not a lot to know about the tailies.
Goodwin infiltrated them early on, like Ethan infiltrated the main group.
One night people came into camp and abducted some of the tailies (including the kids). Another night they came back and abducted more. Two people tried to take Eko, but he killed them.
All of the abducted people were on a list that the Others were carrying. That is, they were only after specific people. (Later the Others tell Ben that Jack wasn't on Jacob's list but Ben insists on taking Jack anyway, due to his back tumor. Jacob is the "Great Man" that Ben bragged about while a captive in the hatch. Jacob is their leader. We have yet to see Jacob though.)
Anna Lucia went off with Goodwin and they had a talk. Goodwin kept saying things like "how do you know the Others are bad?" and "maybe the kids are better off now?" and stuff like that.
When she called him out as being an Other, he told her that she was bad, and that was why she wasn't on the list. IE, they only take good people, whatever "good" means to them.
After that the tailies merged with the main group of 815 survivors, and then they all pretty much died off or faded into obscurity (except for Rose's husband, Bernard).
Goodwin infiltrated them early on, like Ethan infiltrated the main group.
One night people came into camp and abducted some of the tailies (including the kids). Another night they came back and abducted more. Two people tried to take Eko, but he killed them.
All of the abducted people were on a list that the Others were carrying. That is, they were only after specific people. (Later the Others tell Ben that Jack wasn't on Jacob's list but Ben insists on taking Jack anyway, due to his back tumor. Jacob is the "Great Man" that Ben bragged about while a captive in the hatch. Jacob is their leader. We have yet to see Jacob though.)
Anna Lucia went off with Goodwin and they had a talk. Goodwin kept saying things like "how do you know the Others are bad?" and "maybe the kids are better off now?" and stuff like that.
When she called him out as being an Other, he told her that she was bad, and that was why she wasn't on the list. IE, they only take good people, whatever "good" means to them.
After that the tailies merged with the main group of 815 survivors, and then they all pretty much died off or faded into obscurity (except for Rose's husband, Bernard).
Well, it's either Purgatory or the evil corporation has covered everything up. I mean, who saw the bodies of the crash victims? Whose to say that they didn't just stick a bunch of cadavers in a plane?
I have heard the creators categorically deny the Purgatory or Limbo theory before. Remember, they claim that everything will have a real world scientific explanation.
I have heard the creators categorically deny the Purgatory or Limbo theory before. Remember, they claim that everything will have a real world scientific explanation.
“Activism is a way for useless people to feel important, even if the consequences of their activism are counterproductive for those they claim to be helping and damaging to the fabric of society as a whole.” - Dr Thomas Sowell
Lindelof and Cuse have said repeatedly that dead people will stay dead. Death is part of the cycle of the island. People do not return from the dead.TPRJones wrote:With all the miraculous healing going on, a little resurrection wouldn't be all that shocking.
I think the Hanso Foundation (or someone else) is covering up.
People would have looked for flight 815 until the island was found. Scientists love looking for stuff like the Titanic or Amelia Earhart or Flight 19 or whatever.
The best way to stop people from looking for Flight 815 is to provide them with a fake crash site.
Stick the fake plane in the deepest darkest part of the ocean and only a handful of research vessels on the planet would be able to check it out... not that they'd have any reason to. Plus salvage would be incredibly impractical if not impossible.
As far as Locke's Father dying, and waking up on the island, he said that the EMT smirked before sticking him with the IV. I think that smirk tells a lot about what was really going on. He was being drugged.
Since they didn't actually show him die, I'm guessing Locke will get out of the pit.
Does Roger count against the 5?
What happened to Annie?
Is Jacob real or is Ben nuts?
Does Roger count against the 5?
What happened to Annie?
Is Jacob real or is Ben nuts?
“Activism is a way for useless people to feel important, even if the consequences of their activism are counterproductive for those they claim to be helping and damaging to the fabric of society as a whole.” - Dr Thomas Sowell
First off, I watched last night's episode twice.
Of course Locke's not dead. The only question is how will he be saved? The TV/movie rule is that no main character is dead without confirmation.
What do you mean about Roger (Work Man) Linus counting against the 5?
It's a good question about what happened to Annie. Either she joined the natives (the "Hostiles") or she died. Since the attack seemed to be planned out, and Ben was involved, I'm pretty sure he would have brought it up to her.
Yes, Jacob is real. If you recorded it, play it in slow motion just after Ben was thrown into the wall. The camera pans across the chair and there is a man sitting in it, motionless and sort of looking down. It's quick and blurry, but he's definitely there. I'm sure there's a screen cap or two online by now.
Edit: Jacob! He sorta looks like Whistler (Kris Kristofferson) from Blade.
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Of course Locke's not dead. The only question is how will he be saved? The TV/movie rule is that no main character is dead without confirmation.
What do you mean about Roger (Work Man) Linus counting against the 5?
It's a good question about what happened to Annie. Either she joined the natives (the "Hostiles") or she died. Since the attack seemed to be planned out, and Ben was involved, I'm pretty sure he would have brought it up to her.
Yes, Jacob is real. If you recorded it, play it in slow motion just after Ben was thrown into the wall. The camera pans across the chair and there is a man sitting in it, motionless and sort of looking down. It's quick and blurry, but he's definitely there. I'm sure there's a screen cap or two online by now.
Edit: Jacob! He sorta looks like Whistler (Kris Kristofferson) from Blade.
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I love that they're not actually the Dharma initiative...or are they?
Think about it. Who were the original "others"? The way Dharma works, the whole thing could've been planned out from the beginning. Hell, Ben could've been the target of the whole thing from the beginning. Remember, there are multiple experiments going on, maybe this was one of them?
So when does he reappear? I had heard the finale which I'll get into later, but I'm betting not till next season in which his reappearance will be a big surprise.
The word is that 5 will die in May. Not counting Locke's "father".
So does Roger, who we've already seen dead, count against the 5? If not...who?
I'm hearing Charlie for certain. I've also heard a fan favorite will get himself killed saving the other peeps. I've also heard that the season finale has a big showdown between Jack and...somebody. It's either Locke or Sawyer depending on which producer is talking. Considering where Locke currently is and with only 1 episode to go and it being focused on Charlie, I think Locke won't be back until next year.
5 people though...damn. Perhaps Charlie is the guy who sacrifices himself? They're running out of guys, they need to start killing some women. Hell, they running out of characters:
Locke
Jack
Sayid
Hugo
Kate
Sawyer
Jin
Sun
Rose
Bernard
Charlie
Claire
Desmond
The Italian chick
Juliette
How do you kill 5 from that list? Of course, you could also throw in:
Ben
Tom
Richard
Jacob
The guy with the eye patch
Ben's daughter
Karl
The French woman whose name I'm forgetting (Russo?)
Update: I'm hearing 1-5 depending on the source.
It makes another Ben story possible in the future.
And here's another good question: Why was Ben able to see Jacob and not Locke? Do you think it has something to do with committing an evil act or killing your father or killing anyone? That does lend credibility to the purgatory theory. Why else would Ben really push Locke to murder his dad? Why would he say only then can he reveal the secrets of the island? Was he surprised that Locke couldn't see Jacob because he thought Locke had murdered his dad?
Update: Actually 2. The first is that the season finale is supposed to shake everything up again with a major reveal. The second is that Kristen at E Online has reported Terry O'Quinn sold his Hawaiian home. He told her it's because he wants more freedom and wants to live out of hotels...damn I hope it's true, but that sounds flimsy as hell. Of course...it could just be that he'll be out of the picture for a while only to return much later when people have forgotten about him. After all, he's supposed to be dead...
Think about it. Who were the original "others"? The way Dharma works, the whole thing could've been planned out from the beginning. Hell, Ben could've been the target of the whole thing from the beginning. Remember, there are multiple experiments going on, maybe this was one of them?
Of course Locke's not dead. The only question is how will he be saved? The TV/movie rule is that no main character is dead without confirmation.
So when does he reappear? I had heard the finale which I'll get into later, but I'm betting not till next season in which his reappearance will be a big surprise.
What do you mean about Roger (Work Man) Linus counting against the 5?
The word is that 5 will die in May. Not counting Locke's "father".
So does Roger, who we've already seen dead, count against the 5? If not...who?
I'm hearing Charlie for certain. I've also heard a fan favorite will get himself killed saving the other peeps. I've also heard that the season finale has a big showdown between Jack and...somebody. It's either Locke or Sawyer depending on which producer is talking. Considering where Locke currently is and with only 1 episode to go and it being focused on Charlie, I think Locke won't be back until next year.
5 people though...damn. Perhaps Charlie is the guy who sacrifices himself? They're running out of guys, they need to start killing some women. Hell, they running out of characters:
Locke
Jack
Sayid
Hugo
Kate
Sawyer
Jin
Sun
Rose
Bernard
Charlie
Claire
Desmond
The Italian chick
Juliette
How do you kill 5 from that list? Of course, you could also throw in:
Ben
Tom
Richard
Jacob
The guy with the eye patch
Ben's daughter
Karl
The French woman whose name I'm forgetting (Russo?)
Update: I'm hearing 1-5 depending on the source.
It's a good question about what happened to Annie. Either she joined the natives (the "Hostiles") or she died. Since the attack seemed to be planned out, and Ben was involved, I'm pretty sure he would have brought it up to her.
It makes another Ben story possible in the future.
And here's another good question: Why was Ben able to see Jacob and not Locke? Do you think it has something to do with committing an evil act or killing your father or killing anyone? That does lend credibility to the purgatory theory. Why else would Ben really push Locke to murder his dad? Why would he say only then can he reveal the secrets of the island? Was he surprised that Locke couldn't see Jacob because he thought Locke had murdered his dad?
Update: Actually 2. The first is that the season finale is supposed to shake everything up again with a major reveal. The second is that Kristen at E Online has reported Terry O'Quinn sold his Hawaiian home. He told her it's because he wants more freedom and wants to live out of hotels...damn I hope it's true, but that sounds flimsy as hell. Of course...it could just be that he'll be out of the picture for a while only to return much later when people have forgotten about him. After all, he's supposed to be dead...
“Activism is a way for useless people to feel important, even if the consequences of their activism are counterproductive for those they claim to be helping and damaging to the fabric of society as a whole.” - Dr Thomas Sowell
P.S. I honestly hope they kill Jack. The guy was not supposed to live through episode 1. Now he's, by far, the least interesting and most annoying character on the show.
“Activism is a way for useless people to feel important, even if the consequences of their activism are counterproductive for those they claim to be helping and damaging to the fabric of society as a whole.” - Dr Thomas Sowell
I'm leaning towards the island being Atlantis. All those pillars and such. It has some major ancient civilization
The "Others" appear to be a mix of Dharma personnel (Ben at least), original inhabitants (aka Hostiles like Alpert), and people they've taken (like Alex, Cindy & the kids) or people they've brought in (like Juliette).
What I find interesting is that Alpert, a Hostile, was able to go to America to recruit Juliette. He obviously had a lot of money and power backing his recruiting effort, so the Hostiles have some major connection to civilization.
Also, it appears that Alpert hasn't aged. Why's that?
Also, why did he want to know if Ben's mother died on (as opposed to off) the island?
Also, why does he now follow orders from Ben when he obviously has seniority over Ben?
I assume the answer to the latter question is that Jacob talks to Ben.
And why did the Others take "good" people, yet want Locke to murder his father?
I didn't know that 5 were supposed to die in May.
From the preview of Desmond telling Charlie that he has to die this time, I assume that Charlie's death results in a greater good... probably saving Claire & Aaron's life.
As for people who will die, my guesses (in order of probability) are:
Charlie
Juliet
Jack (who will be on Jimmy Kimmel Live tomorrow)
Naomi
Desmond
Desmond's "I have to let you die this time" speech in the promo pretty much puts a nail in Charlie's coffin. I assume he'll die saving Claire and Aaron, and perhaps others 815 survivors.
I think Juliet is expendable at this point. She's played her part, we know her story, her sister lived, so now she can go.
Jack is a target because the island's healing properties has diminished the need for a doctor, and Juliette (assuming she lives) is a lot more qualified at saving Sun and her baby. Plus Kate has chosen Sawyer, so that part is wrapped up.
Naomi is new, and has probably served her purpose. I can't think of anything else for her to contribute.
Desmond was a tough pick. It was between him or Jin or Sayid. Desmond was told that the only great thing he'd do in life is push the button (or turn the key?) in the hatch, so I picked him. Penny will still look for him, even if he's dead.
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Who were the original "others"?
The "Others" appear to be a mix of Dharma personnel (Ben at least), original inhabitants (aka Hostiles like Alpert), and people they've taken (like Alex, Cindy & the kids) or people they've brought in (like Juliette).
What I find interesting is that Alpert, a Hostile, was able to go to America to recruit Juliette. He obviously had a lot of money and power backing his recruiting effort, so the Hostiles have some major connection to civilization.
Also, it appears that Alpert hasn't aged. Why's that?
Also, why did he want to know if Ben's mother died on (as opposed to off) the island?
Also, why does he now follow orders from Ben when he obviously has seniority over Ben?
I assume the answer to the latter question is that Jacob talks to Ben.
And why did the Others take "good" people, yet want Locke to murder his father?
I didn't know that 5 were supposed to die in May.
From the preview of Desmond telling Charlie that he has to die this time, I assume that Charlie's death results in a greater good... probably saving Claire & Aaron's life.
As for people who will die, my guesses (in order of probability) are:
Charlie
Juliet
Jack (who will be on Jimmy Kimmel Live tomorrow)
Naomi
Desmond
Desmond's "I have to let you die this time" speech in the promo pretty much puts a nail in Charlie's coffin. I assume he'll die saving Claire and Aaron, and perhaps others 815 survivors.
I think Juliet is expendable at this point. She's played her part, we know her story, her sister lived, so now she can go.
Jack is a target because the island's healing properties has diminished the need for a doctor, and Juliette (assuming she lives) is a lot more qualified at saving Sun and her baby. Plus Kate has chosen Sawyer, so that part is wrapped up.
Naomi is new, and has probably served her purpose. I can't think of anything else for her to contribute.
Desmond was a tough pick. It was between him or Jin or Sayid. Desmond was told that the only great thing he'd do in life is push the button (or turn the key?) in the hatch, so I picked him. Penny will still look for him, even if he's dead.
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Why would the "Others" take Ben if they only wanted good people?
At some point, they need to burst the Jack bubble. He's way too powerful, has a really shitty holier than thou are attitude, and generally acts like a self centered dick. The others never wanted him except to save Ben so that should tell you something. Meanwhile, the only 815 peeps the others have actually wanted have been the babies, Walt, and Locke. Only Walt and Locke have been termed as "special".
If not, there are only a few people on the island who aren't bad in some way:
Jack, Locke, Charlie, Claire, Hugo, Sun, Rose, Bernard, and Desmond...right?
However, one could make the case that Sun and Desmond were cowards. Jack and Locke were weak and let stronger men dominate their lives. Hugo commits sin against himself. Claire indirectly killed her mother. Rose and Bernard the book is still out on, but I've heard they will have a flashback story next season.
I love how they've been writing Kate lately. Not because they've made her strong or anything, but because they've done the exact opposite. She's gotten emotional involved with two men and it has completely fucked her. One of the men ignores her, so of course she can't stop chasing him. The other loves her, so of course, she treats him like shit. She has become a pawn and a bit player because of her emotional attachments and that is so real. No offense ladies.
She could probably die now and it wouldn't mean much to the show. In fact, it might mean more if they decide to pit Sawyer against Jack. If she were to die because of their conflict, that'd be interesting.
I'd like to see Sayid and Locke last until the series finale.
At some point, they need to burst the Jack bubble. He's way too powerful, has a really shitty holier than thou are attitude, and generally acts like a self centered dick. The others never wanted him except to save Ben so that should tell you something. Meanwhile, the only 815 peeps the others have actually wanted have been the babies, Walt, and Locke. Only Walt and Locke have been termed as "special".
If not, there are only a few people on the island who aren't bad in some way:
Jack, Locke, Charlie, Claire, Hugo, Sun, Rose, Bernard, and Desmond...right?
However, one could make the case that Sun and Desmond were cowards. Jack and Locke were weak and let stronger men dominate their lives. Hugo commits sin against himself. Claire indirectly killed her mother. Rose and Bernard the book is still out on, but I've heard they will have a flashback story next season.
I love how they've been writing Kate lately. Not because they've made her strong or anything, but because they've done the exact opposite. She's gotten emotional involved with two men and it has completely fucked her. One of the men ignores her, so of course she can't stop chasing him. The other loves her, so of course, she treats him like shit. She has become a pawn and a bit player because of her emotional attachments and that is so real. No offense ladies.
She could probably die now and it wouldn't mean much to the show. In fact, it might mean more if they decide to pit Sawyer against Jack. If she were to die because of their conflict, that'd be interesting.
I'd like to see Sayid and Locke last until the series finale.
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Leisher wrote:Why would the "Others" take Ben if they only wanted good people?
I guess it depends on the definition of "good."
I think you need to be a killer to join them as full fledged members though.
Maybe they want to take non-killers, to turn them into killers? Which is why they took kids, babies the flight attendant, etc.
Check out this Wikipedia entry on Losts lists.
"You're not on the list because (looks at Kate) you are flawed... (looks at Locke) because you are angry... (turns to Sayid) and weak, and frightened."
...there are only a few people on the island who aren't bad in some way:
Jack, Locke, Charlie, Claire, Hugo, Sun, Rose, Bernard, and Desmond...right?
Not that many people...
Jack killed the marshal after Sawyer shot him in the lung (a recoverable injury on the island). He told Kate he wouldn't put him out of his misery because, "I am not a killer" but Jack did it anyway. So I guess he *is* a killer.
Charlie killed the defenseless Ethan.
Sun killed that woman in the boat. (That was Sun, right?)
Desmond killed Kelvin.
Now, killing is not in the nature of some people: Locke didn't kill the agent at the commune when he had the chance, nor did he kill his father. Jin saved a man's life by beating him up. Claire refused to let her father euthanize her mother.
As for Rose, Bernard, and Hurley... who knows? We don't have enough back story on them. Maybe Hurley killed someone and went to a mental hospital rather than jail?
TPRJones wrote:I just wonder why Ben left Locke alive? He's gotta know he's going to heal up; people don't die easily on the island.
From a wound like that (a'la Anna Lucia and Shannon) a shot is fatal.
He doesn't put a bullet to Locke's head for the same reasons that the criminal mastermind leaves Jame's Bond alone to escape. It shows a superiority complex for the criminal and a desire to make the protagonist suffer (as punishment for meddling) before he dies.
At the same time, it's a device used by the writers to build drama and leave an out.
I'm about to reveal the least important person who I found out will die, the number of people who will die, and the prominence of the people who die. I don't think you'll care that much.
If you want to be totally surprised don't read.
If you want to know flat out who's dying, click the link.
*SPOILER*
*SPOILER*
As for the deaths... I hear there will be three, not five. One is Ryan Pryce. Don't remember him? Me neither!
The other two are people of interest. Only one is an original character. The other, well, my personal theory is that this person was Ryan's lover.
*/SPOILER*
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One is Jason. Don't remember him? Me neither!
I didn't click the link as I don't want to be spoiled by the big name, but I'm betting it's NOT Locke, which lends to my theory that he won't show up until he makes a surprise appearance sometime in the next season.
Now, as for Jason, who the hell is that? A quick google says he's already dead via an Ana-Lucia flashback. The only other Jason is in a Kate flashback and she's not scheduled for one until next year as the last two as Charlie and the season finale is a Jack flashback.
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