Wonder Woman SPOILER THREAD

Post by **Leisher** » Wed Jun 21, 2017 8:54 am

Malcolm wrote:
Leisher wrote:
Malcolm wrote: JL still has the Affleck anchor factor to deal with.
Just because you say it, doesn't make it true.

Affleck was the best part of BvS.
Speaks volumes about that movie's quality.

Again, to you.

That movie sucked, but saying Affleck was shit is pretty ridiculous.

Malcolm · Post by **Malcolm** » Wed Jun 21, 2017 10:27 am

You're right. Shit is too high a standard for him to follow.

Post by **Vince** » Wed Jun 21, 2017 10:38 pm

GORDON wrote: I think WW was.

Ditto

Post by **Vince** » Thu Jun 22, 2017 8:06 am

GORDON wrote: Was.that... because "they took over our village and made us slaves?" Her motivation is slipping my mind.

The chick crossed the road to get to the Ares on the other side?

That part really didn't bother me and seemed consistent with where the character was at that point. She was trained to be a fighter. Not really a warrior. At various points throughout the movie she expressed a great compassion and love for the human race. I'm figuring she's at least a couple thousand years old, but even at that age she'd never stepped foot off her island. For all the training and study she'd done, she was still pretty inexperienced and immature. Up until the Germans arrived on her island, she probably had never even experienced knowing someone who'd died. She had the "I'm going to change the world" mentality that most teenagers do. The boyfriend was her exact opposite.

Post by **GORDON** » Thu Jun 22, 2017 8:32 am

Exactly. She saw an injustice, she wanted to correct it. SR was looking at the big picture, he knew they didn't have time to rescue every village between there and their goal. But, WW couldn't be stopped, and they correctly chose to back her play. I thought that was awesome.

As WW became more and more of a big-picture-seer, she got more and more jaded with the human race.

I'd kind of like to see the story of her "after the century of horrors I walked away from the human race," but it seems like a.movie that was enough for WW to lose hope would be a real downer.

Post by **GORDON** » Thu Jun 22, 2017 7:33 pm

Caught a matinee with the kid today for a second viewing.

My favorite sequence is the moment when she says, "I am sick of this shit" and climbs up out of the trench, all the way through to the town-clearing scene. That entire 10 minutes was kickass.

And I like how they made her strong as shit, yet still vulnerable as hell. Gal Gadot is currently #1 on my list.
+++
Didn't care for how in the end it was god v. god, and then most of the fight was them throwing shit at each other. You'd just think there would be some massive psionic battle or something... though in retrospect, I suppose when Ares was showing her a paradise world without humans, that was his attempt to mindfuck her.

But I disagree with the criticism of "that weak little guy was Ares." The weakness was obviously a ploy, and when it came time to fight he suited up some diablo-level armor and he no longer pretended to walk with a limp. I was ok with that subterfuge.

This movie deserves the success it is having. It's a really fun movie.

++++

Also, I have been saying "SR" and mentally thinking "Steve Rogers." I should have been using ST for Steve Trevor. Duh.

Post by **Leisher** » Thu Jun 22, 2017 8:13 pm

GORDON wrote: Gal Gadot is currently #1 on my list.

Proves my point in the other thread.

GORDON wrote: Didn't care for how in the end it was god v. god, and then most of the fight was them throwing shit at each other.

Thanks for pointing that out. Ares was a TK in the movie. That was fucking stupid. Why couldn't Superman kill him without even trying? Doomsday definitely would have.

And what the fuck were WW's powers? She was doing shit in the movie I didn't know WW could do. The speed shots, while cool as hell, don't match her power set.

GORDON wrote: But I disagree with the criticism of "that weak little guy was Ares." The weakness was obviously a ploy, and when it came time to fight he suited up some diablo-level armor and he no longer pretended to walk with a limp. I was ok with that subterfuge.

No. He's a "god" yet he can't alter his appearance? As you said yourself, it's subterfuge! Take off the fucking mask and Hulk up! He was ridiculously unimpressive.

GORDON wrote: This movie deserves the success it is having. It's a really fun movie.

I agree, but it's not "all that". I think it's the first DC movie that was decent, and thus, it's getting a LOT of passes for obvious sins. Gal Gadot was amazing, Patty Jenkins masterfully directed it, but the story was a mish mash of cliche shit, Lucas-like dialogue, and forgotten plot lines thanks to re-writes. Oh, and Chris Pine sucked. And I know your hard on for GG is going to make you all huffy, so I'm going to confuse you by saying that YOU would have been better as Steve Trevor than Chris Pine...

Post by **GORDON** » Thu Jun 22, 2017 9:20 pm

Ordinarily when a chick starts squirting out babies she's off my list, but for GG I'm making an exception.

Post by **TheCatt** » Sat Jul 01, 2017 1:01 pm

Good movie, I agree with Gordon + Vince's counterpoints for her motivation, and the German angle.

My wife found the movie depressing, though, since the male love interest died. She thought it was the one respectable, reasonable superhero-human relationship that she could think of (respect, openness, etc), and they just killed him off.

Post by **GORDON** » Sat Jul 01, 2017 1:39 pm

I don't disagree with your wife. It was tragic, "I wish we had more time."

But it makes me think... women sure do love the romantic stories that end when the man dies to soon... I'm looking at you, Titanic.

Post by **TheCatt** » Sat Jul 01, 2017 6:47 pm

GORDON wrote: I don't disagree with your wife. It was tragic, "I wish we had more time."

But it makes me think... women sure do love the romantic stories that end when the man dies to soon... I'm looking at you, Titanic.

Well, not my wife. "Please, there was plenty of room on that shipwreck debris for both of them"

Malcolm · Post by **Malcolm** » Sat Jul 01, 2017 7:02 pm

TheCatt wrote:
GORDON wrote: I don't disagree with your wife. It was tragic, "I wish we had more time."

But it makes me think... women sure do love the romantic stories that end when the man dies to soon... I'm looking at you, Titanic.

Well, not my wife. "Please, there was plenty of room on that shipwreck debris for both of them"

Mythbusters agrees.

Post by **thibodeaux** » Sun Jul 02, 2017 7:59 am

During the Final Battle, the brave hero has to sacrifice himself so the gas doesn't explode on the ground.

But didn't they also blow up a factory full of the stuff?

Post by **TheCatt** » Sun Jul 02, 2017 8:25 am

thibodeaux wrote: During the Final Battle, the brave hero has to sacrifice himself so the gas doesn't explode on the ground.

But didn't they also blow up a factory full of the stuff?

Yeah, I had other quibbles here, too... I mean, if WW's basically a god, then I'm sure there's 100 ways she could have fixed this.