2016 General Election Thread

[GORDON]

And I'm sure that was the only one, ever.

[Vince]

Always amusing when they find some on the other side.

I'll just go ahead and say IT DOESNT HAPPEN! USER ERROR!

As soon as they get a rash of episodes happening to the benefit of Republicans (or as soon as illegals start voting Republican) the Democrats will push for voter ID.

[Malcolm]

Always amusing when they find some on the other side.

I'll just go ahead and say IT DOESNT HAPPEN! USER ERROR!

As soon as they get a rash of episodes happening to the benefit of Republicans (or as soon as illegals start voting Republican) the Democrats will push for voter ID.

Yeah. Still waiting for indictment one from any of the alleged ironclad evidence there is of all the voting fraud allegedly going on. It's amazing how damn near everyone in the political system is incompetent, inefficient, greedy, stupid, etc., from the top on down when they're in office but when running for reelection, they're all evil, manipulating supergeniuses that require apparently a Sherlock Holmes level of skill to locate, prosecute, and halt for the sake of all good and holy.

[GORDON]

There have been many convictions over the last few years. I stopped posting them because I grow weary of linking one occurrence after another and having people say with a straight face, "Yeah well isolated incident, doesn't prove anything."

http://www.dtman.com/forum3/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=6644

[GORDON]

State by state vote fraud convictions:

https://thf_media.s3.amazonaws.com/2015/pdf/VoterFraudCases-8-7-15-Merged.pdf

[GORDON]

Different list, by state.

http://dailycaller.com/2016/10/20/heres ... 23-states/

[Malcolm]

https://thf_media.s3.amazonaws.com/2015 ... Merged.pdf

436 individual cases, or so it appears, across 50 states. While it's non-zero, this isn't the large scale black market voting that's being implied.

http://dailycaller.com/2016/10/20/heres ... 23-states/

The largest mention for a number is in Pennsylvania.

In early 2015, Pennsylvania Secretary of the Commonwealth Carol Aichele announced, “there’s potential voter fraud in Pennsylvania,” going on to say that around 731 people may have double voted in Pennsylvania.

So one official said there's the potential that around 731 people may have doubled voted. There are three qualifiers in that sentence and I see nothing which says legal action was taken. It looks like Cali wins the prize with 194 illegal voters actually caught. That'd be California, the most populous state with the most counties.

I'd also bet that around 95-99% of these could be prevented with proper, modern, sane security techniques, staffing, and funding. I've gone to shows at clubs that drop more resources into cracking down on scalpers. It's not like it's difficult or even all that expensive, given that we're exercising our freedoms that people fought and died for blah blah blah. Naturally, who runs the polling places? Party shills with an average age 75 who probably still pine for the days of Lawrence Welk releasing new hits. We still vote on a fucking Tuesday because a billions years ago, Sunday meant "church" and your ass was riding a horse on Monday to get to a poll.

[Malcolm]

Why the American way of voting is the stupidest fucking possible way to go about things. Until this basic fact changes, I will not set foot in a voting booth.

[GORDON]

436 individual cases, or so it appears, across 50 states. While it's non-zero, this isn't the large scale black market voting that's being implied.

You think the cockroach rule doesn't apply? There's 10 others for every 1 you catch?

You don't think election officials are never corrupt in bulk?

Felons being allowed to vote turning the outcome of an election?

"Oops we forgot to get those absentee ballots out to military folks on time, bummer."

One at a time convictions are great, but the real bullshit happens in bulk and seemingly never gets convicted.

You have a MUCH better opinion of people... political people... than I have. I think there are way more dishonest people than honest. Malcolm the optimist.

[Malcolm]

You think the cockroach rule doesn't apply? There's 10 others for every 1 you catch?

Sure, there are probably lots more we don't know about. I don't think there's a Dr. Moriarty, local or otherwise, behind most of them. I think it's old, slow, stupid people using last century's technology and techniques and fucking up a lot.

You don't think election officials are never corrupt in bulk?

Felons being allowed to vote turning the outcome of an election?

342 votes out of 2 fucking million. Normally margins of victory aren't that close. Each of those felonious votes was stamped and approved by one of the old, slow, stupids somewhere during the tally process.

"Oops we forgot to get those absentee ballots out to military folks on time, bummer."

One at a time convictions are great, but the real bullshit happens in bulk and seemingly never gets convicted.

If only there were some way to vote remotely, without use of physical presence or paper. Motherfucking airlines let me buy tickets online and fucking email boarding passes to me. I have no sympathy for propping up a system badly in need of an overhaul.

Thus far, at least three states - Alabama, Ohio and Wisconsin - have had local election officials that failed to mail their absentee military ballots on time. Wisconsin and Alabama are repeat offenders from 2010.

Maybe someone should tell 'Bama to stop pissing on the vets they purport to respect down there. Or perhaps the citizenry should fucking go elect some people who can.

You have a MUCH better opinion of people... political people... than I have. I think there are way more dishonest people than honest. Malcolm the optimist.

No, I only attribute more of their actions to idiocy than I do active malevolence. The smart people in the latter category don't go for public office. They disappear into the private sector.

[GORDON]

I don't care if it is idiocy or malice, if they won't take steps to fix shit, if they actively fight against implementing safeguards, then they are guilty.

[Malcolm]

I don't care if it is idiocy or malice, if they won't take steps to fix shit, if they actively fight against implementing safeguards, then they are guilty.

I assume by "they" you mean the voters who won't elect people who take election reform seriously. As it stands, I claim the voting/election system is significantly fucked long before any polling occurs.

My complaints specifically:

1) Two parties isn't remotely enough to claim a real representation of the citizenry. Both parties are psychotic. This year's election was a common residence away from being "Real World: Douchebag Senior Citizen edition."

2) The average voter probably doesn't know enough to vote on anything other than emotion. I base this on the likely fact that nine of every ten look to be voting pachyderm or jack-ass, and there's zero indication either one is going to be any more pleasant than a Carolina Reaper suppository.

3) The last people in charge of electing new public servants should be current public servants or party shills. Their role should be nothing more than spectating at a sporting event.

I'm watching these dudes to see what they do. At first glance, everything but their economic policy seems sane. Maybe someone over here can hijack the good parts.

[Leisher]

Enthusiasm tie.

This is why I feel Trump could win. Nobody is excited to vote for Hillary. Plus, most people figure there's no way she doesn't win, so why bother to go vote?

Still, it doesn't matter who wins, we all lose.

[TheCatt]

I really don't want Trump to win. I don't want Hillary, but I REALLY don't want Trump.

[Leisher]

I feel the same, BUT my concern is that in the short term we avoid embarrassing ourselves to pay a huge price later.

Over 50% of the nation now lives off the government tit. We're governing to the smallest percentage of people at the expense of the largest. People get worked up in a frenzy over social issues while ignoring issues in the economy or in education.

My hope is that Hillary, who once was too much of a centrist for Democrats, remains there politically.

[GORDON]

Was pondering this morning... the idea that the parties themselves... people you can't even name, most likely.... actually run the country. They own the politicians, and will cut of reelection funds if the politicians don't obey party policy. And the politicians write the laws, favoring whoever the party dictates. And the laws dictate what federal law enforcement and, in extreme cases, the military does... the party has the guns and the will to use them. The parties have written the election laws so only the two big ones get any real attention in the media, ensuring no one upsets their apple cart.

The parties are in charge.

I want to say someone a long time ago warned about this.

[Malcolm]

Wtf, Libertarians?

And his running mate, former Republican Massachusetts governor William Weld, has all but come out for Clinton in recent days.

“I’m here vouching for Mrs. Clinton,” Weld told MSNBC’s Rachel Maddow on Tuesday night. “I think it’s high time somebody did.”

That's the Lib VP, a man that looks like he's on a perpetual thorozine drip that's probably hooked up internally the same way Cheney's defib machine is.

Polls are getting closer. Wonder if the jack-asses have any rabbits left to pull. I think I finally understand how this dog feels:

[Troy]

American as fuck.

Now I just need a way to toggle off political ads on all my devices. And the radio.

If I hear about the soda tax one more time i'm going to start sending mail bombs to coke + pepsi.

[TheCatt]

I voted.

Tomorrow I'm having shoulder surgery and will be on Percocet for a week or two. Election over, bitches!

[Leisher]

That line at the bottom says "You have a 1 in 5 chance of having a heart attack...after you smoke marijuana."