I didn't know he was trying to separate children from their families, too.
It's not even about immigration, it's about entry. So if he has his way someone born in the U.S. that has only ever lived in the U.S. and is Muslim takes a day trip to Canada they can never come home again. "Sorry, I don't care if you are a U.S. citizen and don't know anyone abroad, you said you are a Muslim so you can't come in." It's idiocy.
Yay. Anonymous the thought police. Just what we need.
Clearly what they are doing is not good. My point is not that what they are doing is good. My point is that what they've done is not in fact "WAY worse than what he suggested" as was claimed above. Trumps suggestion if enacted would cause countless individual tragedies to innocent people. Anonymous actions today caused one website admin to turn on DDoS protection for a few hours. The second is not anywhere near as bad as the former.
"ATTENTION: Customers browsing porn must hold magazines with both hands at all times!"
TPRJones wrote:My point is that what they've done is not in fact "WAY worse than what he suggested" as was claimed above. Trumps suggestion if enacted would cause countless individual tragedies to innocent people.
Things they DID versus what he suggested. Do you see the difference?
He said something dumb, that will never happen. They did something stupid, and should be in jail.
I consider it civil disobedience from a political standpoint. Is it illegal? Yeah. Was anything irretrievably stolen or destroyed? Was anyone kidnapped, killed, or raped? How much cash did he lose from the site being down? Aside from an asshole being made to look like an asshole with a defaced website, I don't see much change. Redeploy the site again, restore from backups, and secure your shit. If they start permaDOS'ing all his websites in a pervasive pattern, I might move my "Give-A-Fuck-O-Meter" to one notch above zero. I'd say the same thing if Al Sharpton had his home page hacked tomorrow.
On the flipside, I think of all the times he's used his finances or position or celebrity to be a dick. Donnie Douchebag is running for the highest office in the land. While his words constitute suggestions and pandering now, I cannot take them as jokes or hollow threats unless I'm convinced his plan is to be swept into office amidst a wave of comedy and powerlessness. I can only assume he's serious about his lunacy. When he talks, his statements are inflammatory and confrontational. The tone of his voice is daring someone to disagree with him so he can go on a philippic; hacking his website doesn't let him retaliate in the same arena. If others are going by similar logic and they believe they can influence his actions, then repercussions like this aren't exactly shocking. "Thought Police" is a bit extreme until Anonymous starts sending people to disappear and reeducate you in the middle of the night. Actions like this are the modern version of tagging Trump Plaza. They are hardly Orwellian.
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Diogenes of Sinope: "It is not that I am mad, it is only that my head is different from yours."
Arnold Judas Rimmer, BSC, SSC: "Better dead than smeg."
Malcolm wrote:I consider it civil disobedience from a political standpoint. Is it illegal? Yeah. Was anything irretrievably stolen or destroyed? Was anyone kidnapped, killed, or raped? How much cash did he lose from the site being down?
I feel pretty strongly about property rights. If you fuck with someone else's property, you deserve to die. They fucked with someone's property, they have no right to anything.
OK, that's a little more extreme than how I feel, but not much.
This is digital property. Restoring it should be little work. Neither his bottom line nor livelihood have been significantly impacted. This does not qualify as anymore than petty vandalism, and even a trivial sort at that.
Diogenes of Sinope: "It is not that I am mad, it is only that my head is different from yours."
Arnold Judas Rimmer, BSC, SSC: "Better dead than smeg."
Bullshit. The infraction is slight, the financial loss is minimal. The punishment and fervor in enforcing it should be proportional. It's why "larceny" is broken into grand and petty categories.
Diogenes of Sinope: "It is not that I am mad, it is only that my head is different from yours."
Arnold Judas Rimmer, BSC, SSC: "Better dead than smeg."
For actual physical theft I agree, it is atrocious and should be punished harshly. But nothing was stolen here. This was digital vandalism. It probably had a minor financial effect, but that doesn't make it theft.
"ATTENTION: Customers browsing porn must hold magazines with both hands at all times!"
Malcolm wrote:This is digital property. Restoring it should be little work. Neither his bottom line nor livelihood have been significantly impacted. This does not qualify as anymore than petty vandalism, and even a trivial sort at that.
They messed with someone else's property, the end. Hands cut off.
Malcolm wrote:This is digital property. Restoring it should be little work. Neither his bottom line nor livelihood have been significantly impacted. This does not qualify as anymore than petty vandalism, and even a trivial sort at that.
They messed with someone else's property, the end. Hands cut off.
Goddamn. Remind me not to put you in charge of intellectual property when I take over the world.
Diogenes of Sinope: "It is not that I am mad, it is only that my head is different from yours."
Arnold Judas Rimmer, BSC, SSC: "Better dead than smeg."
GORDON wrote:Well what percentage of a person's net worth does it need to be until y'all consider it to be theft?
A website, one of many he owns, was down for a matter of hours. If you want to go with "theft" as the term here, then the only thing stolen was access and rights to some electro-magnetic info stored on a drive of some sort. Website defacement != theft. Vandalism (which is what this is), in general, isn't theft.
Diogenes of Sinope: "It is not that I am mad, it is only that my head is different from yours."
Arnold Judas Rimmer, BSC, SSC: "Better dead than smeg."
I say vandalism IS theft. Defacing property means they have to spend time/effort/money un-defacing it. You've just had money stolen from you because of someone elses actions. You've just lost whatever revenue said defaced thing was going to generate in that time. Hell, if you want to really think about what things mean, if I spray paint your fence, and you have to spend money repainting it, and you have to work for your money, then basically your work just went to cover for my actions. I just enslaved you.
That's a little ridiculous, but laws can't work on Malcolm's and TPR's threshold of what makes it really a crime.
Cut off the hands. You won't even need to do it that much since after a few handless examples are walking around, fuckers will think twice about stealing a TV. I exempted food, earlier... if someone needs to steal to keep from starving, they have been failed by society in some way. But theft of entertainment/leisure items... harsher penalties. No leniency.
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