You really can't make any sort of blanket statement like that about anonymous and have it be accurate. It's way too amorphous of a group and traditional left-right politics doesn't enter into most of what they do because it would be impossible to get them to agree.
That's fair. I made the statement based on their previous acts and statements. But yeah, it's like saying everyone in unions vote Democrat just because the unions tell them to...
Given how worthless our judicial system is I see no reason to put more faith in the authority of a court of law than in what I myself can discover. Who made Anonymous judge and jury? Anonymous did. And I can respect them for taking up the responsibility.
Do I trust them to do a good job with it? Not as much as I would like. Vigilantism can be messy. But governments are just people, too, and just as prone to make mistakes. There's no good reason to have more faith in a court of law than you would in a rabble of self-appointed judges. There are no good answers.
I respect them for taking these stands as well because, especially in this case they're putting themselves in harm's way, but I still think it's a slippery slope to begin revealing names publicly.
“Activism is a way for useless people to feel important, even if the consequences of their activism are counterproductive for those they claim to be helping and damaging to the fabric of society as a whole.” - Dr Thomas Sowell
“Activism is a way for useless people to feel important, even if the consequences of their activism are counterproductive for those they claim to be helping and damaging to the fabric of society as a whole.” - Dr Thomas Sowell
"I think Silicon Valley has to take a look at their products, because if you create a product that allows evil monsters to communicate in this way, to behead children, to strike innocents, whether it's at a game in a stadium, in a small restaurant in Paris, take down an airliner, that's a big problem," said Feinstein, who is vice chair of the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence.
Go fuck yourself, you ignorant, opportunistic cunt.
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Arnold Judas Rimmer, BSC, SSC: "Better dead than smeg."
I just thought of a good way for Anonymous to attack ISIS.... find their members, and dox the shit out of them. Post their internet browser histories and shit so everyone knows how the righteous defenders of Allah and heroes of the new Caliphate are just pervs like everyone else. Will destroy them individually and demoralize them collectively. That's pretty much all Anonymous can do since it isn't like ISIS is running any massive server farms that can be attacked.
And I'd say that on slow news days, just make shit up. It isn't like ISIS could actively disprove anything. They need a massive, popular webpage upon which to do this that people would hit every day to mock the ISIS Idiot of the Day.
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"Be bold, and mighty forces will come to your aid."
If they could find any of their bank accounts they could empty them and give the money to charities. The typical ones spring to mind like helping Syrian refugees and whatnot, but for fun I'd give their money to Jewish charities.
“Activism is a way for useless people to feel important, even if the consequences of their activism are counterproductive for those they claim to be helping and damaging to the fabric of society as a whole.” - Dr Thomas Sowell
And I'd say that on slow news days, just make shit up.
You can do that now, with Anonymous.
If they could find any of their bank accounts they could empty them and give the money to charities.
If only ISIS would drop their credit card next time they were out shopping. If bank security could be cracked at will like that, you'd be hiding your cash under a mattress.
Diogenes of Sinope: "It is not that I am mad, it is only that my head is different from yours."
Arnold Judas Rimmer, BSC, SSC: "Better dead than smeg."
Pavel Durov knew that terrorists were using his app to communicate. And he decided it was something he could live with.
“I think that privacy, ultimately, and our right for privacy is more important than our fear of bad things happening, like terrorism,” the founder of Telegram, a highly secure messaging app, said at a TechCrunch panel in September when asked if he “slept well at night” knowing his technology was used for violence.
“If you look at ISIS, yes, there’s a war going on in the Middle East,” he continued. “Ultimately, ISIS will find a way to communicate with its cells, and if any means doesn’t feel secure to them, they’ll [find something else]. We shouldn’t feel guilty about it. We’re still doing the right thing, protecting our users’ privacy.”
Diogenes of Sinope: "It is not that I am mad, it is only that my head is different from yours."
Arnold Judas Rimmer, BSC, SSC: "Better dead than smeg."
And I'd say that on slow news days, just make shit up.
You can do that now, with Anonymous.
If they could find any of their bank accounts they could empty them and give the money to charities.
If only ISIS would drop their credit card next time they were out shopping. If bank security could be cracked at will like that, you'd be hiding your cash under a mattress.
I'm not saying they're cracking the pentagon, but if they come across anyone's private information (they have), and can locate them (they have), and then gain access to their PC, people have a habit of not cleaning up after themselves. Who knows what they'll find?
“Activism is a way for useless people to feel important, even if the consequences of their activism are counterproductive for those they claim to be helping and damaging to the fabric of society as a whole.” - Dr Thomas Sowell
The Pentagon has lots more electronic firepower (CPU cycles and memory) than Anonymous could ever hope to organize coherently. If the ISIS accounts were hackable, someone would have been on that shit long ago. They have all sorts of people that already fucking hate them who would be draining their cash as we speak. Secondly, if ISIS has dudes who can build bombs (chemical genius not req'd) then they got dudes who know basic digital security (computer genius not req'd). "Gaining access" to one of the machines with their holy PIN numbers (has someone tried Muhammad's birthday?) would most likely mean physically seizing it and then probably decrypting it.
Is there a chance? Sure.
Do I want to dissuade them? No.
Do I expect results? Eh, maybe 5-10%, but no.
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Diogenes of Sinope: "It is not that I am mad, it is only that my head is different from yours."
Arnold Judas Rimmer, BSC, SSC: "Better dead than smeg."
The government, famously, can't hire good hackers.
I don't trust guys who can't make it rich in the civilian sector to have the skills and creativity of those who can.
“Activism is a way for useless people to feel important, even if the consequences of their activism are counterproductive for those they claim to be helping and damaging to the fabric of society as a whole.” - Dr Thomas Sowell
Leisher wrote:The government, famously, can't hire good hackers.
I don't trust guys who can't make it rich in the civilian sector to have the skills and creativity of those who can.
I'm sure some of the selected gov't black hats can run with any except the sharpest of the private sector. On average, the gov't gets blown the fuck away. But I have no doubt they have individuals who, given the extra boost of super and parallel computing, can crack anything feasibly crackable ... unless there's some ultra-mega-awesome decryption algorithm that hasn't leaked out to the underground.
In short: they have a considerable collection of covert resources that is miles above what most private companies have, excepting major tech giants. Their cash will attract some limited pool of competent techies because some motherfuckers can't help but sell their souls.
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Diogenes of Sinope: "It is not that I am mad, it is only that my head is different from yours."
Arnold Judas Rimmer, BSC, SSC: "Better dead than smeg."
I'm not saying they're cracking the pentagon, but if they come across anyone's private information (they have), and can locate them (they have), and then gain access to their PC, people have a habit of not cleaning up after themselves. Who knows what they'll find?
Keep in mind that most of Anonymous aren't what you would consider real hackers. They're people who've downloaded a few scripts and botnet controllers and they use tools other people have created to do their work. On average the members of this board are better hackers than Anonymous. But that is on average; they've got some real skill available if the right members are involved in an op.
Most of hacking these days is social hacking, anyway, either phishing from the target or engineering the customer service reps into divulging credentials. This is harder to accomplish when you don't share a common culture - or language - with the target.
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"ATTENTION: Customers browsing porn must hold magazines with both hands at all times!"
TPRJones wrote:This is harder to accomplish when you don't share a common culture - or language - with the target.
Anonymous isn't staffed with angry young men who resent women, attack innocent targets just to exult in having power, and want to rewrite history and destroy the establishment just for getting there first, so that point's well taken.
TPRJones wrote:This is harder to accomplish when you don't share a common culture - or language - with the target.
Anonymous isn't staffed with angry young men who resent women, attack innocent targets just to exult in having power, and want to rewrite history and destroy the establishment just for getting there first, so that point's well taken.
Rep. Rick Brattin of Jefferson City has written a bill that would strip the scholarship away from any student who refuses to play ball when he (or she, but we know he's only talking about he) isn't injured.
I have no trouble with this.
Diogenes of Sinope: "It is not that I am mad, it is only that my head is different from yours."
Arnold Judas Rimmer, BSC, SSC: "Better dead than smeg."
Rep. Rick Brattin of Jefferson City has written a bill that would strip the scholarship away from any student who refuses to play ball when he (or she, but we know he's only talking about he) isn't injured.
I have no trouble with this.
Seriously? You think the GOVERNMENT should control the behavior of student athletes? Not the individual schools or coaches?
Considering that most scholarships are privately given and not public funds, I don't see how Rep. Rick Brattin of Jefferson City has anything to do with it.
"ATTENTION: Customers browsing porn must hold magazines with both hands at all times!"
There are some exceptions in college sports, though, so it would have some application. But I read the bill (and the referenced section 536) and it isn't subtle enough to care about such distinctions. It's going to have the effect of stripping private scholarships as well, which seems like governmental overreach to me.
"ATTENTION: Customers browsing porn must hold magazines with both hands at all times!"
Rep. Rick Brattin of Jefferson City has written a bill that would strip the scholarship away from any student who refuses to play ball when he (or she, but we know he's only talking about he) isn't injured.
I have no trouble with this.
Seriously? You think the GOVERNMENT should control the behavior of student athletes? Not the individual schools or coaches?
College is glorified daycare at the moment. It's a valuable life lesson: act like fucking adults or professional assholes will come in to regulate you.
Diogenes of Sinope: "It is not that I am mad, it is only that my head is different from yours."
Arnold Judas Rimmer, BSC, SSC: "Better dead than smeg."