Cell/smart phones.... luxuries? Needs?
Probably the best resource for the definition would be my kid's 3rd grade teacher who taught those 7 year old kids the difference between wants and needs, leading to more than one dinner time conversation about it. My kid didn't seem overly confused about the simple subject, but then he wasn't nitpicking this much, either.
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GORDON wrote:Probably the best resource for the definition would be my kid's 3rd grade teacher who taught those 7 year old kids the difference between wants and needs, leading to more than one dinner time conversation about it. My kid didn't seem overly confused about the simple subject, but then he wasn't nitpicking this much, either.
Your assertion is that the subject is best understood by brains that aren't accustomed to thinking about nuances and degrees of relevance?
Bold.
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You can "live" as a permanent vegetable or (at the other extreme) a brain in a jar. Anything else is luxury. Shit, you don't need higher brain functions, either. Lobotomies for everyone.
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I'm seriously amazed that such a simple discussion was blown so out of proportion.Alhazad wrote:Your assertion is that the subject is best understood by brains that aren't accustomed to thinking about nuances and degrees of relevance?GORDON wrote:Probably the best resource for the definition would be my kid's 3rd grade teacher who taught those 7 year old kids the difference between wants and needs, leading to more than one dinner time conversation about it. My kid didn't seem overly confused about the simple subject, but then he wasn't nitpicking this much, either.
Bold.
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One man's nitpicking is another's penetrating inquisition.GORDON wrote:Probably the best resource for the definition would be my kid's 3rd grade teacher who taught those 7 year old kids the difference between wants and needs, leading to more than one dinner time conversation about it. My kid didn't seem overly confused about the simple subject, but then he wasn't nitpicking this much, either.
Diogenes of Sinope: "It is not that I am mad, it is only that my head is different from yours."
Arnold Judas Rimmer, BSC, SSC: "Better dead than smeg."
Arnold Judas Rimmer, BSC, SSC: "Better dead than smeg."
Alhazad wrote:GORDON wrote:I'm seriously amazed that such a simple discussion was blown so out of proportion.
Well, everyone was pretty miffed that you cut off the list of what's essential at such a Dark Ages level of technology.
Catt says I don't know what I am talking about, TPR says I am changing parameters on the fly, and you say I am not allowing for modern tech.
I don't know why but people REALLY want to believe smart phones are needed to live. Whatever. This conversation stopped being fun yesterday.
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This is the part that miffs me, if anything.GORDON wrote:Probably the best resource for the definition would be my kid's 3rd grade teacher who taught those 7 year old kids the difference between wants and needs, leading to more than one dinner time conversation about it. My kid didn't seem overly confused about the simple subject, but then he wasn't nitpicking this much, either.
One teacher in bumfuck is teaching little kids simple concrete things at a time when conceptual understanding and moving beyond concrete terms is difficult, yet Gordon holds that as the Gold Standard of what a word means.
Need has many definitions. They learned a part of what a word means. The teacher did a shitty job.
It's not me, it's someone else.
I have read NONE of this thread, although I've noticed "grumpiness". I do want to say that I think the bar of "want" and "need" moves for each person based on their desires, beliefs, goals, job, lifestyle, etc.
Amish people think you're all spoiled dicks with your central air and heating.
Some CEO who also lives to hike is grateful technology allows his satellite phone to work when he's mountain climbing. Yes, convenience can be a need.
I don't think there's a black and white line that determines want and need for everyone. The line moves for each person.
Amish people think you're all spoiled dicks with your central air and heating.
Some CEO who also lives to hike is grateful technology allows his satellite phone to work when he's mountain climbing. Yes, convenience can be a need.
I don't think there's a black and white line that determines want and need for everyone. The line moves for each person.
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No, I'm saying you're being obtuse, either on accident or intentionally to provoke a fight.GORDON wrote:Catt says I don't know what I am talking about, TPR says I am changing parameters on the fly, and you say I am not allowing for modern tech.
I don't know why but people REALLY want to believe smart phones are needed to live. Whatever. This conversation stopped being fun yesterday.
Needs don't exist without goals, so there is no such thing as an absolute need. You assumed everyone knew which goal you meant, didn't define the goal, left the other participants to supply their own, and then got annoyed at them for supplying goals with more personal meanings or discussing your lack of definition. I guessed at your goal, but it's surely not urbane to get mad at your other friends for not doing so.
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