Cell/smart phones.... luxuries? Needs?
Acid burned and dehydrated, respectively.Alhazad wrote:Acid spring.
Dead sea.
I can't remember what the actual acid ph level is, though.... I've watched enough Westerns to know alkaline springs'll kill you, though.
So yeah, my point is that I don't think there's a climate on Earth that is conducive to long life, without shelter.
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Build? Fuck build. We had caves.TPRJones wrote:The fact that we are here as a species when once upon a time we couldn't build shelter is proof that there are climates where shelter isn't absolutely necessary to survival.
Comfort, yes. But not survival.
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GORDON wrote:We also had fur.
We still do, but I think your timeline is a bit confused. Proto-humans are plausibly believed to have lost body hair before radiating out of Africa, 1.2 million years ago. The earliest discovered, identifiable hearths are about 800,000 years old.
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"The Remedy" really is a borderline-extinction-level event where we're worrying about food, clothing and shelter rather than worrying about whether or not you should use the word "retard" [laughs]. We're so far away from the reality of what it means to survive, and buying into the polarized crap that goes on in the political arena, and also caught up in what you think you deserve. "I deserve free shipping!" You know? It's just so disconnected with real life, and what it takes to survive. And maybe because I grew up on a farm, and maybe because I've done that work and maybe because I live in Arizona, where everything will kill you if you're not aware... maybe I just have a different perspective than most people.
"Be bold, and mighty forces will come to your aid."
...people did your job before cell phones existed and got along just fine.
Bullshit. Some of those jobs didn't exist before back in the day. Did a frontier doctor in 1830s Appalachia need a cell phone or a car? No. But he would've been a lot more effective if he had them. We did surgery without anesthesia, too. Is it possible to survive without? Sure, it's just less pleasant and likely.
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Arnold Judas Rimmer, BSC, SSC: "Better dead than smeg."
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Malcolm wrote:...people did your job before cell phones existed and got along just fine.
Bullshit. Some of those jobs didn't exist before back in the day. Did a frontier doctor in 1830s Appalachia need a cell phone or a car? No. But he would've been a lot more effective if he had them. We did surgery without anesthesia, too. Is it possible to survive without? Sure, it's just less pleasant and likely.
Totally irrelevant argument there..
Don't need it, just a luxury.
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No, entirely relevant. If your job requires ready and instantaneous communication, then you need a means to do so. Until telepathy comes along, smart phone wins.Stranger wrote:Totally irrelevant argument there..Malcolm wrote:Bullshit. Some of those jobs didn't exist before back in the day. Did a frontier doctor in 1830s Appalachia need a cell phone or a car? No. But he would've been a lot more effective if he had them. We did surgery without anesthesia, too. Is it possible to survive without? Sure, it's just less pleasant and likely....people did your job before cell phones existed and got along just fine.
Don't need it, just a luxury.
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Arnold Judas Rimmer, BSC, SSC: "Better dead than smeg."
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TPRJones wrote:Stranger, would you at least acknowledge that someone with the job of computer program "needs" a computer in order to do their job? Or is that also a luxury?
I would, but we are talking about a cell phone aren't we?
Just my opinion, you're free to have yours also. To me, phone is luxury.
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Yes, we are, but I'm trying to establish a definition of "need" beyond just an arbitrary list of food, shelter, and clothing. Since an actual concrete definition hasn't been forthcoming, trying to feel one out by selected examples seemed the way to go.
Would you agree that someone working as a racecar driver "need" some sort of automotive?
Would you agree that someone working as a racecar driver "need" some sort of automotive?
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A concrete definition of need? Insane. You might as well ask for a concrete definition of art. Fuck, you don't even need to exist, to be strict, so fuck oxygen. The Unabomber didn't need more than 100' or so square to live. If you imposed that base minimum on certain people, they would either: (i) kill themselves or (ii) dedicate their existence to finding a bigger living area. Some monks don't need more than noodles and water to live. For about four years of life, all you "need" to eat is ramen. A thousand years ago, all most people needed to worry about was pleasing their respective god(s), if you believe the contemporary sources. Nowadays, there's a "need" to fight climate change.
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Diogenes of Sinope: "It is not that I am mad, it is only that my head is different from yours."
Arnold Judas Rimmer, BSC, SSC: "Better dead than smeg."
Arnold Judas Rimmer, BSC, SSC: "Better dead than smeg."
Shelter and clothing are not a need.TPRJones wrote:Yes, we are, but I'm trying to establish a definition of "need" beyond just an arbitrary list of food, shelter, and clothing. Since an actual concrete definition hasn't been forthcoming, trying to feel one out by selected examples seemed the way to go.
Would you agree that someone working as a racecar driver "need" some sort of automotive?
It's not me, it's someone else.