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[GORDON]

Creationism/religion may not be "disproven," but it isn't science because by definition science has to be falsifiable. There's got to be a way to say, "See, this proves that a divine creator couldn't have had a hand in it." The entire religious thing is that you have to live without proof, because it's all about the faith... which is a rather convenient fallback for the religious.

[Leisher]

We have no proof we aren't all computer simulations, either. I'm not giving every conjecture equal weight.

Nobody said you had to give them all equal weight, but can you summarily dismiss everything you don't believe as not being a genuine theory?

I was simply baiting and even said so, but I did think a person must allow a bit of leeway that they could be wrong about something.

Free will is the ability to say, "Fuck that plan."

Now we need Cake here to explain to you that free will doesn't exist. (A debate he and I had a long time ago.)

[TPRJones]

Technically true, free will doesn't exist. But the illusion of free will does, and it's an important illusion. Strong enough to stand in for actual free will.

EDIT: Not to say that your actions are determined. Quantum effects do throw a bit of randomness into the universe that gets caught up in the free will debate and makes a difference. So, no true free will but also no absolute determinism.



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[Malcolm]

But the illusion of free will does, and it's an important illusion. Strong enough to stand in for actual free will.

1) Kind of
2) It's a good enough stand in such that you can't tell the difference, may as well be the original

[GORDON]

It would be an improvement if the left could stick to either of its double standards. Personally, I think fellow Americans - even ones who wear Lynyrd Skynyrd shirts - deserve some of the nuance and understanding so many reserve for Islam extremism. But if you're going to take your zero tolerance for symbols of 19th century slavery so seriously, maybe you should show the same myopic zealotry with regard to the forces who are enslaving people right now.

-- Jonah Goldberg

[Vince]

I think most people in the south that display the rebel battle flag are doing so, not as a matter of their views on race, but to indicate they aren't a Yankee New York asshole.

[Malcolm]

More people fail history. Fortunately, at least one guy didn't.

On Sunday, hundreds of Forrest supporters rallied to show support for the statue.

WNEM.com reported that Ron Sydor, an African-American historian, was the keynote speaker at the event. Sydor reportedly said Forrest changed his ways years after he led the Ku Klux Klan.

"There's a lot of history that has been lost, and it's important that a true history is taught," he said.

Megan Barry, a councilwoman and mayoral candidate in Nashville, has been pushing the effort to block the statue.

Megan Barry is also a total tool who's whoring herself out for votes.

[Malcolm]

Death sentence imposed.