Try to find a more unbiased source next time. You're quoting a political organization, not a medical one
To be honest, I just looked in passing. To be fair though, there is a growing number of adults that grew up with same sex parents that are indicating that while they love their parents dearly, they always felt there was something missing in their rearing by not having a parent of the other sex.
Not sure how one would measure "reputable", but AAP seems just as political
Pediatricians Applaud Supreme Court Decision to Uphold Federal Subsidies for Health Insurance Purchased in All 50 States
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Vince wrote:I agree the divorce rates will be high. For whatever reason, the age disparity seems to be a lot higher among gay couples (someone posted a chart on the forum here somewhere). That may have something to do with it. Not sure.
To be clear I'm just referring to those who will be getting married just because it's finally legal and they get carried away. In a sane world where it had already been legal all along these couples wouldn't have gotten married at this time, if ever.
Once that spike has passed I think divorce rates among homosexuals are likely to be similar to but slightly less than heterosexuals. The difference would be because homosexual relationships are slightly more likely to be semi-open and/or include honest discussion about when and how dabbling with others is allowed, which reduces the odds of infidelity destroying the relationship.
As to the prevalence of age differences, it sounds rather Freudian but honestly some of those are due to daddy issues for some gay men who's fathers never accepted them. Having a bigoted father that hates them can screw some people up a bit.
Lastly it's too soon to have any good studies about how the children of homosexual couples turn out. Until the kids reach their 30s I wouldn't trust them to have enough perspective to make an accurate assessment of how it may have effected them, and 30+ years ago there was little to no acceptance of gay couples adopting children so there'd be all sorts of issues related to persecution from their peers getting in the way. It'll be a couple of decades from now before we can start to get good results on studies of this topic.
I wouldn't be surprised to find that on average the kids do better, if only because there are no unwanted accidents among homosexual couples which would alter the average outcome a bit.
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To be fair though, there is a growing number of adults that grew up with same sex parents that are indicating that while they love their parents dearly, they always felt there was something missing in their rearing by not having a parent of the other sex.
What studies?
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Republican presidential candidate Mike Huckabee urged Christian leaders to channel Martin Luther King, Jr. by resisting the Supreme Court's ruling in favor of same-sex marriage.
Huckabee pointed to King's Letter from Birmingham Jail, in which the civil rights leader advocated non-violent resistance to racism, saying that "an unjust law is no law at all."
Firstly...
King’s widow once said in a public speech that everyone who believed in her husband’s dream should “make room at the table of brother and sisterhood for lesbian and gay people.”
"May I ask, are we going to now discriminate against people of conscience, people of faith, who disagree with this ruling?" he said.
The people of the faith are going to have to, gasp, live with gay married people around them, exactly like the dudes that thought interracial marriage was fucked up and had to live with it. There's no minister that'll be forced to join two dudes in matrimony. If you want matters of faith to be at the forefront of gov't, there are plenty of places you can go: Saudi Arabia, Iran, Vatican City, Oman, the list goes on.
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TPRJones wrote:Lastly it's too soon to have any good studies about how the children of homosexual couples turn out. Until the kids reach their 30s I wouldn't trust them to have enough perspective to make an accurate assessment of how it may have effected them, and 30+ years ago there was little to no acceptance of gay couples adopting children so there'd be all sorts of issues related to persecution from their peers getting in the way. It'll be a couple of decades from now before we can start to get good results on studies of this topic.
I wouldn't be surprised to find that on average the kids do better, if only because there are no unwanted accidents among homosexual couples which would alter the average outcome a bit.
I agree that it's too soon to know how the kids of gay couples will do. And that's honestly been one of my biggest concerns with this entire debate. Personally I think they'll end up coming out on par with a child brought up by a single parent. But for the sake of this demonstration let's say that it comes out even worse. Let's say across the board they are at greater risk in every category. High school drop out rates, drug abuse rates, teen pregnancy risks, the whole gambit. Then what? "Sorry kid, I know we're dealing you a shit hand with this adoption, but we can't favor the straight family over the gay one"? It's done now. They are equal in the eyes of the law. No matter if we determine at a later date that they really aren't.
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High school drop out rates, drug abuse rates, teen pregnancy risks, the whole gambit. Then what? "Sorry kid, I know we're dealing you a shit hand with this adoption, but we can't favor the straight family over the gay one"?
I'd need a large, large amount of studies to convince me.
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But for the sake of this demonstration let's say that it comes out even worse. Let's say across the board they are at greater risk in every category.
Why don't we suppose for the sake of demonstration that we should give all kids cocaine. Let's say across the board they are more active and thus in better physical shape and lead a more productive life.
I find that to be about as likely to be true as your scenario. It will take several good studies from independent parties to convince me that gay parents are worse across the board. Not to mention that even though gay marriage is legal gay adoption is still frequently an uphill struggle in many states, including some that already had gay marriage. That whole "we can't favor the straight family over the gay one" bit isn't even close to being a reality.
I can almost guarantee that gay couples will be better than single parent if only because they have twice as much time to give. I can't see how anyone opposed to gay adoption can't take an equally hard-lined stance against single parents, unless of course it's just because gay people make them feel icky.
I was a child of a single parent and I seem to be doing fine. There are many more influencers in a kid's life than just their parents. There are teachers and neighbors and the parents of friends and etc. They all have an impact and for most kids there's plenty of role models to go around. It's far more important that the parents be good and dedicated and caring than it is that the parents have different sex organs.
EDIT: Besides, it's not like there's a shortage of kids needing homes. Gay couples don't have to be better than heterosexual couples for gay adoption to make sense. They don't even have to be better than single parents. They just have to be better than having a kid go through random foster homes their whole lives and never have a real family. Because there are kids doing that right now that could have a happy home if those states that won't let homosexuals adopt would get their heads out of their asses.
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I can almost guarantee that gay couples will be better than single parent if only because they have twice as much time to give. I can't see how anyone opposed to gay adoption can't take an equally hard-lined stance against single parents, unless of course it's just because gay people make them feel icky.
I don't know if it's still the case any more, as the US has become increasingly insane for some time, but it used to be that many states would not allow a single person to adopt in a state adoption (I don't think they can do much on private adoptions) and I'm okay with that. So comparing apples to apples (no one is talking about having kids the normal way), I am treating single parent adoption the same as gay couple adoption.
EDIT: Besides, it's not like there's a shortage of kids needing homes. Gay couples don't have to be better than heterosexual couples for gay adoption to make sense. They don't even have to be better than single parents. They just have to be better than having a kid go through random foster homes their whole lives and never have a real family. Because there are kids doing that right now that could have a happy home if those states that won't let homosexuals adopt would get their heads out of their asses.
I have always thought they should be allowed to adopt in cases of difficult to place children. As you stated, it's worlds better than a life in foster homes. But if it turns out that a gay couple isn't as optimal as a straight couple and measurably so, we can't legally factor that in to the adoption evaluation now.
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1) I still think the premiss is absolutely flawed but only time will tell, but more on point
2) What the hell are you talking about there at the end? Marriage is not the same thing as adoption. These are two separate things that are treated separately under law. Nowhere in the ruling was there anything about how adoption is a civil right that everyone has a right to enjoy.
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They just equated a gay marriage to a straight marriage. I don't see how they can say a gay marriage is not as desirable to adoption as a straight marriage, no matter what studies might show in the future. But they might be able to get away with it. Many states won't let you adopt if you're ill with a high likelihood of not surviving to see your child reach adulthood. Or if you're older. So maybe if it turns out it isn't optimal they'll have a standing to figure that in for the adoption process.
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I don't see how they can say a gay marriage is not as desirable to adoption as a straight marriage
Why? Because I don't see how a two-parent household is as desirable as a four-parent household.
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Arnold Judas Rimmer, BSC, SSC: "Better dead than smeg."
"(Judges and other state workers) may claim that the government cannot force them to conduct same-sex wedding ceremonies over their religious objections," Paxton said in the statement.
Nope. That's going to get majorly slapped down.
A public servant serving a public purpose doesn't get to put their own religious convictions ahead of that of the individuals of the public that they are serving. They are the representatives of government and as such if they take an action that curtails someone's civil liberties it does not matter why; they are at that moment the personal embodiment of the government stepping on the citizen's rights.
If you are a government employee that does marriages and you aren't willing to marry anyone put before you, then quit and go get a different job. Period no exceptions.
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TPRJones wrote:Nope. That's going to get majorly slapped down.
A public servant serving a public purpose doesn't get to put their own religious convictions ahead of that of the individuals of the public that they are serving.
And that's why we need to make all bakeries public institutions!
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Funny. But more seriously that's why we need to get government completely out of marriage. Turn it into a written contract - probably chosen from a set of boilerplate marriage contracts involving power of attorney, children's benefits, etc ad infinitum - between two or more consenting adults with the option to attach it to a religious ceremony if desired. Leave all that other government stuff aside completely.
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But more seriously that's why we need to get government completely out of marriage.
Goverment's like a spiked dildo -- once it's up your ass, it's not coming out. I dare any politician to expunge marriage from the law. There'd be riots.
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TPRJones wrote:Funny. But more seriously that's why we need to get government completely out of marriage. Turn it into a written contract - probably chosen from a set of boilerplate marriage contracts involving power of attorney, children's benefits, etc ad infinitum - between two or more consenting adults with the option to attach it to a religious ceremony if desired. Leave all that other government stuff aside completely.
I would absolutely support this idea.
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An East Tennessee hardware store owner who put up a “No Gays Allowed” sign in response to the Supreme Court decision allowing same-sex marriage says he decided to take a “bold” stand for his beliefs.
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He said gay and lesbian relationships are against his religion.
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