Mastubatory fantasy of America splitting in twain

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TPRJones wrote:Oh, and don't forget that Red America's first act would most likely be to upgrade the Patriot Act into a full blown constitutional amendment.
Have to submit a list of luggage to the TSA 6 months prior to takeoff. Just so they can be sure.
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At least Red America's TSA won't give a crap about pocket knives or water bottles. But be sure to have the proper papers and don't sass them or you might end up in Gitmo.
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TPRJones wrote:Oh, and don't forget that Red America's first act would most likely be to upgrade the Patriot Act into a full blown constitutional amendment.
Again, it depends on which side gets the RINOs. I think the tea party guys are the only ones that really are coming out against the wiretapping now. While the left was really concerned about it while Bush was in office, it was the Democrats that made the law permanent.
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TPRJones wrote:Oh, and don't forget that Red America's first act would most likely be to upgrade the Patriot Act into a full blown constitutional amendment.
Eh, you don't have to worry about it... you know that if the USA splits up, Texas is going to go back to being their own country. They probably already have the plaques made up, "You are now entering the Free Republic of Texas" sitting in the basement of the state house, ready to go.
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Heh, not in the state house that's in Blue Austin.

They keep the plaques in Lubbock.
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While the left was really concerned about it while Bush was in office, it was the Democrats that made the law permanent.

The next party has almost zero incentive to repeal any existing laws. They have every incentive to pile on top of and warp them.

Splitting this country down party/political lines would end up the same as every sitcom episode that's ever had the premise of parceling out a house or apartment among roommates.

I'm concerned the Blues would have a European-style failure economy while having society run by soccer mom committee. I'm equally concerned the Reds would have a monopolistic economy ruled by megacorps while society gets run by hybrid clones of Archie Bunker and Billy Graham.




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I've always been intrigued by the "mandatory military service" idea. Israel does it. I think it would help a lot of people who need to do so get their heads out of their asses. Having discipline forced upon them is often the only way most people learn any kind of self discipline.

However, it is bullshit to get drafted and have to go into combat... so maybe make the draft all the administrative jobs the military needs, but make sure it is still strictly regimented. And leave the Marines a volunteer force.
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I don't know about mandatory. Some people will just never be suited to service no matter what you do, what do you do with them? Do they go to jail?

I like the idea of service to earn the vote. That's not a bad way to go. As long as service can mean some other things for those people not suited to combat service in particular. No need to drag people into combat that are likely to get their unit killed.
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Having discipline forced upon them is often the only way most people learn any kind of self discipline.

Bah. Trying to force things on certain people leads to nothing but more rebellions. That includes military service. No mandatory time.




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Overruled. You ship out in 3 weeks.
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GORDON wrote:Overruled. You ship out in 3 weeks.

Then fuck that shit because I'm rebelling, bitches. Then I might go merc and sell my military service to your opposition just to piss you off.




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The military is pretty good at getting you to toe the line by telling you frequently in training that you now fall under the UCMJ, and just doing what you're told is a lot easier than the consequences of not.

Then there's the pain, if that fails... they don't REALLY want to throw you in the brig. They will, but you aren't worth anything locked up.

Even so, we still have deserters from time to time.
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Perhaps you've heard of MCFU (Malcolm's Code of Fuck You). I do not take orders well unless I have some decent sway in the decision making process. Well, if the person giving the order is someone I think is a dumb-ass, at least.



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I saw a few guys in basic just decide they were done, and sit down. Off to the brig, then a dishonorable discharge that follows you forever.

Or, you can clean the toilet and do your time.

Again, it is one thing if you volunteered for it, I can see being a little more bitter if you were doing mandated service. But still.
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My ass ain't even showing up to basic.
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TPRJones wrote:I don't know about mandatory. Some people will just never be suited to service no matter what you do, what do you do with them? Do they go to jail?
I think in Israel they have civil service areas for people that aren't suited for anything else.
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