5 or 6 new movies put online.
Fury and Annie are the biggest titles that were put out into the wild.
Sony Hacked
[UPDATE, Nov. 30, 11 a.m. Pacific: “Fury” now has been downloaded via piracy sites more than 1.2 million times, while “Annie” has topped 206,000 downloads by unique IP addresses, according to Excipio. Downloads of “Still Alice” stood at 103,832, followed by “Mr. Turner” at 63,379 and “To Write Love on Her Arms” at 19,946.
I wouldn't touch these. Sony will be watching.
Edited By GORDON on 1417450946
"Be bold, and mighty forces will come to your aid."
Yep. My wife is an Annie fanatic and wants to see it. I thought, "It'd be cool to give that to her tonight, three weeks before release." However, I thought, "Then I can show her the legal paperwork Sony filed against me."
Plus, in three weeks she'll be out of the house with the kids for at least 3 hours. Woot!
Plus, in three weeks she'll be out of the house with the kids for at least 3 hours. Woot!
“Activism is a way for useless people to feel important, even if the consequences of their activism are counterproductive for those they claim to be helping and damaging to the fabric of society as a whole.” - Dr Thomas Sowell
Every stolen copy of a movie is potentially a movie ticket lost. "Fury," the World War II drama starring Brad Pitt, has been downloaded illegally 2.3 million times, according to tracking firm Excipio.
The hack also threatens to suck the life out of Sony's (SNE) remake of the musical "Annie," starring Jamie Foxx, before it hits theaters in two weeks. It's been pirated more than 278,000 times.
Embarrassing memos. The hack has also produced some embarrassing internal communications, including memos that show Sony employees are fed up with the boring, unimaginative movies Sony keeps putting out. Among the criticisms: Sony has failed to deliver on its Spiderman franchise. As one employee put it: "We continue to be saddled with the mundane, formulaic Adam Sandler films."
Unequal salaries. The world now knows what Sony employees make. The news organization Fusion spotted a major pay gap that runs on gender and race lines. There are 17 people at Sony Pictures who make more than $1 million a year. Only one is black. Only one is a woman.
Personal information. And to top it all off, hackers have exposed enough personal data that 3,800 employees must now be on guard for identity theft.
Ouch
It's not me, it's someone else.
They put up a clip of the new Annie singing one of the songs and it completely destroyed all interest my wife had in seeing the film, and she was SUPER excited to see it.
Plus, there's the whole Jamie-Foxx-in-the-Elmo-Christmas-special-thing...
What is that you ask? Watch the video:
<object width="560" height="315"><param name="movie" value="//www.youtube.com/v/ofIuFQ7Xdl0?version=3 ... ram><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"></param><embed src="//www.youtube.com/v/ofIuFQ7Xdl0?version=3&hl=en_US" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" width="560" height="315" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true"></embed></object>
We watched that with the kids for a Christmas season once almost daily (because kids love repetition) and none of the adults could get over that face. If you missed it, check out the frame at forty six seconds.
Plus, there's the whole Jamie-Foxx-in-the-Elmo-Christmas-special-thing...
What is that you ask? Watch the video:
<object width="560" height="315"><param name="movie" value="//www.youtube.com/v/ofIuFQ7Xdl0?version=3 ... ram><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"></param><embed src="//www.youtube.com/v/ofIuFQ7Xdl0?version=3&hl=en_US" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" width="560" height="315" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true"></embed></object>
We watched that with the kids for a Christmas season once almost daily (because kids love repetition) and none of the adults could get over that face. If you missed it, check out the frame at forty six seconds.
“Activism is a way for useless people to feel important, even if the consequences of their activism are counterproductive for those they claim to be helping and damaging to the fabric of society as a whole.” - Dr Thomas Sowell
Every stolen copy of a movie is potentially a movie ticket lost.
I can't imagine how they ever expect the general public to take their complaints about piracy seriously when they keep spouting this line of obvious complete bullshit.
The vast majority of pirated copies of movies do not mean a one-to-one ticket sales loss. Probably not even a 100-to-1 loss. Hell, most pirated downloads probably never even get watched I would bet.
"ATTENTION: Customers browsing porn must hold magazines with both hands at all times!"
How about revenue loss then?TPRJones wrote:I can't imagine how they ever expect the general public to take their complaints about piracy seriously when they keep spouting this line of obvious complete bullshit.Every stolen copy of a movie is potentially a movie ticket lost.
The vast majority of pirated copies of movies do not mean a one-to-one ticket sales loss. Probably not even a 100-to-1 loss. Hell, most pirated downloads probably never even get watched I would bet.
1) A download can be viewed by many people within a household. So a download could replace multiple viewers.
2) Does it replace streaming views (which impact payments from Netflix, etc)? Does it replace video on demand? Does it replace rentals?
Personally, it will never replace a movie ticket for me, but it could replace some sort of streaming or renting revenue.
It's not me, it's someone else.
I'm with Catt. Movies I see in the theater I'm seeing in the theater because I either don't want to wait or (most likely) I think it'll lose impact on a smaller screen. I do think the impact of pirated movies on sales is over stated. Back when I was prone to doing such things way back beyond the statutes of limitations, I would download and watch some movies that I otherwise would have never paid for.
"... and then I was forced to walk the Trail of Tears." - Elizabeth Warren
Pirating doesn't impact any industry as bad as they claim, but it does make an impact.
I don't buy the lies of how badly they claim it does, nor do I buy the lies from the other side about how small of an impact piracy makes.
I don't buy the lies of how badly they claim it does, nor do I buy the lies from the other side about how small of an impact piracy makes.
“Activism is a way for useless people to feel important, even if the consequences of their activism are counterproductive for those they claim to be helping and damaging to the fabric of society as a whole.” - Dr Thomas Sowell
If I pirate something, it's generally to check it out as opposed to wasting my cash on it. I look at it as myself enforcing the shareware model. If it doesn't suck, I'll probably spend more.
Diogenes of Sinope: "It is not that I am mad, it is only that my head is different from yours."
Arnold Judas Rimmer, BSC, SSC: "Better dead than smeg."
Arnold Judas Rimmer, BSC, SSC: "Better dead than smeg."
Pirating doesn't impact any industry as bad as they claim, but it does make an impact.
I don't buy the lies of how badly they claim it does, nor do I buy the lies from the other side about how small of an impact piracy makes.
This.
Of course it has an impact. And it is bigger than $0. Yes some people end up spending more on things they had previously pirated than they otherwise would have, but those people are more than offset by other people who end up spending nothing when they probably would have without the pirating. The vast majority of pirated copies are most likely revenue neutral.
This myth they cling to that every single download is equal to a lost $20 theater ticket sale is absolutely and insultingly absurdulous. That's my point. Until they admit that this stance is bullshit and pirating does NOT in fact reduce their revenue by several trillion dollars per year that they would otherwise be earning, I for one will continue to consider them full of shit.
EDIT: But I'm derailing the thread. I'll hush about this now. Other than just to say Sony won't lose anywhere near as much in ticket sales from this as they will claim by at least a couple orders of magnitude.
Edited By TPRJones on 1417809303
"ATTENTION: Customers browsing porn must hold magazines with both hands at all times!"
But I'm derailing the thread. I'll hush about this now.
Agreed because everyone needs to see the weird face Jamie Foxx makes at 46 seconds into that video. I can't take him serious in anything anymore.
“Activism is a way for useless people to feel important, even if the consequences of their activism are counterproductive for those they claim to be helping and damaging to the fabric of society as a whole.” - Dr Thomas Sowell
My guess would be that about 10% of the downloads equate to lost sales or rentals. But I don't think rentals really count because I think those aren't sold on a per streaming basis and a sold DVD to a rental place is the same as a sold DVD to a person. Once it's sold, they made their money are done.Leisher wrote:Pirating doesn't impact any industry as bad as they claim, but it does make an impact.
I don't buy the lies of how badly they claim it does, nor do I buy the lies from the other side about how small of an impact piracy makes.
"... and then I was forced to walk the Trail of Tears." - Elizabeth Warren
The economist in me wishes there were some way to measure this accurately. And I really cannot think of one.
The best I could think of would be measuring piracy and media consumption rates across controlled populations with differential internet access abilities (faster pipes). Then try to segment by time and internet speed to compare with mp3 downloads and movie downloads.
Edited By TheCatt on 1417815429
The best I could think of would be measuring piracy and media consumption rates across controlled populations with differential internet access abilities (faster pipes). Then try to segment by time and internet speed to compare with mp3 downloads and movie downloads.
Edited By TheCatt on 1417815429
It's not me, it's someone else.
With piracy, a couple things happen:
1) Exposure goes up.
2) Initial profits go down.
If you're offering up a one-shot form of media, then this blows. What you need is an entire series of things you can charge for. That's not hard. Most directors/actors/whatever want to do more than one film. Hell, nowadays one movie can be remade seven times in twenty years. Most bands aren't putting out one album or one song.
Let the first one out. If the public likes it, then you gamble on who's got the finances/balls to support the subsequent efforts. As I said, it kills profits from the initial one. After that, it's a test of who likes your art enough to pay for it. Sounds like exactly the type of thing which determines profitability anyway, with the added benefit of me not having to buy a potentially shitty album from some band I've never heard before. Fucking hell, if I had a band, every fucking album would have a medley made of up every other song on it specifically for free download purposes.
"Here's the five-minute version of our latest album. If you like it, buy the whole thing for $10."
The profit difference the industries bitch about comes mainly from shelling out for movies with interesting previews and shitty everything else and albums with one or two good singles and shitty everything else. It's an industry ruled by scared, mummy-fellating, creatively bankrupt old men who are trying to sell me their latest abortion with a new coat of paint. They are dumb-ass stones trying to stand against a wave of technology which will do nothing but erode them. They choose to flail about like retarded sea otters instead of figuring out how to use the new system to their advantage. Whenever I hear them complain, I remember every shitty album and movie I paid for prior to the late '90s and await their inevitable demise with sardonic glee.
Edited By Malcolm on 1417819827
1) Exposure goes up.
2) Initial profits go down.
If you're offering up a one-shot form of media, then this blows. What you need is an entire series of things you can charge for. That's not hard. Most directors/actors/whatever want to do more than one film. Hell, nowadays one movie can be remade seven times in twenty years. Most bands aren't putting out one album or one song.
Let the first one out. If the public likes it, then you gamble on who's got the finances/balls to support the subsequent efforts. As I said, it kills profits from the initial one. After that, it's a test of who likes your art enough to pay for it. Sounds like exactly the type of thing which determines profitability anyway, with the added benefit of me not having to buy a potentially shitty album from some band I've never heard before. Fucking hell, if I had a band, every fucking album would have a medley made of up every other song on it specifically for free download purposes.
"Here's the five-minute version of our latest album. If you like it, buy the whole thing for $10."
The profit difference the industries bitch about comes mainly from shelling out for movies with interesting previews and shitty everything else and albums with one or two good singles and shitty everything else. It's an industry ruled by scared, mummy-fellating, creatively bankrupt old men who are trying to sell me their latest abortion with a new coat of paint. They are dumb-ass stones trying to stand against a wave of technology which will do nothing but erode them. They choose to flail about like retarded sea otters instead of figuring out how to use the new system to their advantage. Whenever I hear them complain, I remember every shitty album and movie I paid for prior to the late '90s and await their inevitable demise with sardonic glee.
Edited By Malcolm on 1417819827
Diogenes of Sinope: "It is not that I am mad, it is only that my head is different from yours."
Arnold Judas Rimmer, BSC, SSC: "Better dead than smeg."
Arnold Judas Rimmer, BSC, SSC: "Better dead than smeg."