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Ok...
- who are the death eaters?
- what's the deal with the cloudy skull and snake in the sky?
- why didn't harry turn in Lucius, at the end, for being a death eater?
And more questions as I think of them.
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Harry Potter 4: *SPOILERS* - *SPOILERS*
- who are the death eaters?
Lord Voldermorts inner circle and hardcore followers. Lucious Malfoy is a death eater. So is Barty Crouch Jr. Snape and the head of Victor Krums school are ex death eaters.
- what's the deal with the cloudy skull and snake in the sky?
That is the symbol that Voldermort used to represent himself. So when that went up people freaked out that he had returned or just got scared in general.
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- why didn't harry turn in Lucius, at the end, for being a death eater?
I haven't seen the movie, but I can tell you that Harry's in some pretty deep shit at the end of the book. Nobody at the Minsitry of Magic believes a word he says. And Lucius is a slippery son of a bitch with some influence at the ministry. (Sound like anyone you know of?)
I'm interested to see how they handle the plot in the movie interpretation. I have two kids who like the series alot (5 and
. Should I take them to a matinee or wait until they can view it at home?Wadda mean? Other people can read this?!
Dunno... depends on the kids.
Harry was NOT in deep shit at the end of the movie, but it seemed to me like he should have been. He dissappears from the tri-wizard tournament and returns with a dead team-mate... and his story is "Voldemort's back and HE did it!" No real proof.
But everyone believes him because he's HP.
Harry was NOT in deep shit at the end of the movie, but it seemed to me like he should have been. He dissappears from the tri-wizard tournament and returns with a dead team-mate... and his story is "Voldemort's back and HE did it!" No real proof.
But everyone believes him because he's HP.
"Be bold, and mighty forces will come to your aid."
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Did Moody turn out to be Crouch's kid? Did they have the interrogation? In the book there was a lot of story that took place behind closed doors after Harry showed up with the body. As a result, Dumbledorr and McGonical(sp?) know more about what happened while everyone else can only guess.
And Gordon, are you saying definitely maybe?
And Gordon, are you saying definitely maybe?
Wadda mean? Other people can read this?!
Did Moody turn out to be Crouch's kid? Did they have the interrogation? In the book there was a lot of story that took place behind closed doors after Harry showed up with the body. As a result, Dumbledorr and McGonical(sp?) know more about what happened while everyone else can only guess.
And Gordon, are you saying definitely maybe?
Sure, definately maybe. I'll be busting out the PG-13 and R rated DVD's with my kid depending on how his mentallity develops. I don't have any set age in mind.
Did Moody turn out to be Crouch's kid?
Yes.
Did they have the interrogation?
No, don't think so. Who got interrogated?
In the book there was a lot of story that took place behind closed doors after Harry showed up with the body. As a result, Dumbledorr and McGonical(sp?) know more about what happened while everyone else can only guess.
None of it was shown in the movie.
Oh..... and Hermoine may or may not have gotten laid. She hinted that her Bulgarian boyfriend was "a physical creature."
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"Be bold, and mighty forces will come to your aid."
Exactly. But in the movie, it just ends with Barty Jr. alive and no one talking to any of the Ministry officials like it happens in the book. This be a spoiler thread, so here it is. In the book, only Harry, Dumbledore, Snape, and McGonogal hear the story that Barty Jr told (as in the movie, after the truth serum was given). The ministry rushes in right afterwards with dementors and kills Barty Jr before he can get a word in edgewise. Harry tries to tell the minister what he had said, but no one listens to him because they are afraid of the ramifications of what he is saying: basically, Voldemort's back and all hell is going to break loose, which means the citizens will panic and freak out, which the ministry doesn't want. So they make Harry out to be a child with an overactive imagination and a liar who thinks he's special when he really isn't (via the local newspaper and Rita Skeeter).In the book there was a lot of story that took place behind closed doors after Harry showed up with the body. As a result, Dumbledorr and McGonical(sp?) know more about what happened while everyone else can only guess.
Essentially the movie doesn't set itself up for the next chapter in the series and end on a very depressing note like the book did, the movie ends somewhat positive and happy despite the fact that all of this evil stuff is going to happen. We just have to assume that the next movie will explain what is going on.
Oh..... and Hermoine may or may not have gotten laid. She hinted that her Bulgarian boyfriend was "a physical creature."
I didn't get that from the movie perspective, but I've read the books before, so I might have been superimposing the book's views over the movie version or just not been paying attention.
This movie shows what is hard about adapting these books to film. Those who have read the books will know exactly what is coming and have their own expectations while those who haven't will end up missing out on quite a few sidebars and character development that the books provide that film has a hard time explaining. This book was 750 pages, so a ton of stuff is explained and gone into detail. Like them arriving at school was almost 100 pages into the book, yet it happens in ~10-15 minutes of film. The death eaters aren't shown actually doing things to people at the world cup like they did in the book (just them marching and some fires, not screwing with people), which probably explains Gordon's confusion as to why they are there. And the mark in the sky is supposed to be the dark lord's sign and hadn't been seen since he had vanished many years ago, so people freaked out when they saw it (which was kind of implied, but could have easily been missed if one didn't have a prior knowledge of it). And Harry does turn in all of the death eaters in the book that appeared before Voldemort, but in the books they keep their masks and Harry doesn't actually see their faces (they are called by name I recall) so the ministry basically ignores him and says he has no proof. I'm going from memory for most of this as I haven't read the book in a while.
I personally think they did a good job. It's like the Lord Of The Rings trilogy, reading the books is not required before seeing the movies, but it can help you gain a backstory and reference that movies don't always do so well.
Should I take them to a matinee or wait until they can view it at home?
For what it's worth from me, if the kids have actually read the books and understand people dying, etc in it, then they may be all right. I think the 8 year old should have no problems, I'd be concerned about the 5 year old (just going off of ages, no knowledge of kid maturity). There aren't any scenes in the movie that are all out creepy or disturbing. I was concerned about how they would handle the hand scene in the graveyard, but it's not shown at all (*to me* it looked like it was probably edited out for ratings reasons as the sound effects are there but it's not actually shown at all, just a noticeable cut to another view). The as-released scenes in the graveyard is still probably where the movie earned it's PG13 rating from as the rest wasn't really any different than or darker than the 3rd.
My nephew is reading the books and has seen all of the 3 previous movies and he's 7 now, so I definitely think some younger kids will have no issues with the movie.
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I don't find it creepy. Then again, I'm deranged.You didn't find it creepy or disturbing that 4 kids, including Harry's friends, were kidnapped and tied to ropes like a hundred feet under water? I thought they were corpse,s at first.
Diogenes of Sinope: "It is not that I am mad, it is only that my head is different from yours."
Arnold Judas Rimmer, BSC, SSC: "Better dead than smeg."
Arnold Judas Rimmer, BSC, SSC: "Better dead than smeg."
Those mer-people were ugly.You didn't find it creepy or disturbing that 4 kids, including Harry's friends, were kidnapped and tied to ropes like a hundred feet under water? I thought they were corpse,s at first.
Mermaids should be hot and topless.
My wife's read all the books, so she answers all my questions.
You didn't find it creepy or disturbing that 4 kids, including Harry's friends, were kidnapped and tied to ropes like a hundred feet under water? I thought they were corpse,s at first.
It wasn't until the end of the book that I got to the whole "Damn I can't believe that some parents are letting their kids read this stuff."
When Cedric comes back dead, it talks about Voldermort killing his father and wormtail cutting of his own hand as part of a ritual to bring the ultimate evil back to life that is when I was actaully shocked and started wondering about appropriatness.
why didn't harry turn in Lucius, at the end, for being a death eater?
As I read what others say more comes back and if I remember in the book Harry does name death eaters including Lucius but the Minister of Magic and others don't believe and don't want to believe and so they tell Harry that all that he named were cleared of being death eaters in the trial and that he could have just looked those names up in a book to bolster his weak case.
It also ends with Albus and friends knowing the shit is about to go down and he sends of Hagrid to get the help of giants and Snape and others off and secret missions to rally support agains Voldermort.
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Honestly... when I first read the book I knew there was no way they could kill off any of the main characters like that. The purpose of the contest wasn't to kill anyone involved or actually competing in it. The book I think goes into more detail about how challenging it is and how the wizards in charge of the contest don't let anyone actually die, so that might have skewed my viewpoint as well. And the images looked so fake on-screen to me. I do concede your point that kids may be scared by it.You didn't find it creepy or disturbing that 4 kids, including Harry's friends, were kidnapped and tied to ropes like a hundred feet under water? I thought they were corpse,s at first.
It wasn't until the end of the book that I got to the whole "Damn I can't believe that some parents are letting their kids read this stuff."
Which is why my mom doesn't like anything after the 3rd book. She's not too keen on the 4th and 5th one and hasn't even finished the 6th. I just chalk it up to the books are growing up as the kids in them grow up. Growing up is painful and hard sometimes, but in the end most of us survive and turn out all right with our scars along the way.
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Your mom is going to HATE the 6th book. I'm sure she'll tell you why when she's done.Which is why my mom doesn't like anything after the 3rd book. She's not too keen on the 4th and 5th one and hasn't even finished the 6th. I just chalk it up to the books are growing up as the kids in them grow up. Growing up is painful and hard sometimes, but in the end most of us survive and turn out all right with our scars along the way.
Wadda mean? Other people can read this?!
I didn't realize who/what it was supposed to be for the first 5 seconds... I thought it was 4 random dead kids, floating there, killed by the fish people.Honestly... when I first read the book I knew there was no way they could kill off any of the main characters like that. The purpose of the contest wasn't to kill anyone involved or actually competing in it. The book I think goes into more detail about how challenging it is and how the wizards in charge of the contest don't let anyone actually die, so that might have skewed my viewpoint as well. And the images looked so fake on-screen to me. I do concede your point that kids may be scared by it.You didn't find it creepy or disturbing that 4 kids, including Harry's friends, were kidnapped and tied to ropes like a hundred feet under water? I thought they were corpse,s at first.
Zoinks.
And it actually became worse when I realized that Ron and Hermione got called away from the library w/Harry to go see prof. McGonical... and it must have been then that they got snatched and tied up under water... I assume McGonical did it, or helped.
Dark.
"Be bold, and mighty forces will come to your aid."
