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From here.

I should really probably hold this post until later when I'm more awake, because even to me it feels like a disconjunct, vitriolic rant... and that's saying something when even *I* notice it.

But fuck it... I whipped it out, so here it is. I reserve the right to backpeddal later. I strongly reserve that right.

Post in summary: liberalism = slavery. ;-)

Ha, this is gonna be a shitstorm.

And PS - I hope the main argument isn't going to be "well yeah but republicans do it too." Because that isn't an argument, it's a subject change.




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The average American home swelled from 983 square feet in 1950 to 2,349 square feet in 2004 -- a 140% increase in size.

We're RICH, bitches!

Look, if we wanted to live in the past, we'd most all be farmers, living in squalor with no A/C, electricity, etc. But we progress, we advance. We build big farking houses because a) we can and b) we want them.

Most of those Fark comments reek of people who don't have those houses, and can't afford them. ("He has big house and money, therefore he must be compensating for something..." whatever).

These houses, and most of our wealth, is a by-product of two things: 1) Freedom and 2) Capitalism. Enemies of these houses are enemies of at least one of those two things.

Maybe they're satisfied with the way things are, and don't need those two things any more. Good for them. But don't stand in the way of my bulldozer as it takes down another 50 year old house to build something I want on my land.
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I don't understand why you think this is a "new" thing. It's called Zoning. I pulled my first building permit for my house in 1985. At the time the plans called for a square house of 24' x 30' Well that was under the square footage allowed. So for me to build I had to convene a zoning meeting , mailing letters to all adjoing property owners and asking them if it was alright to build my house.
The solution was easy. I added 2 foot in lenght to the house but I thought it was a load of shit that I would have to ask someone that live over 100 yards away permission to do something on my own property.
It goes on from there. You can't build a 3 story house in a neighborhood of ranch houses. You can build one but in a different place. So someone is dictating what you can and can't do with property. I suppose if I wanted to store nuclear waste or something I would say sure it is a hazard shut me down but were is the limits?
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Nuclear waste would almost certainly affect the houses around you, through contamination or such.

How does building a larger house affect the property around me?

I don't think the argument is that this is a new thing, so much as a continued march down the wrong path that seems to just keep going (in "D," if you will)
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Well I have felt oppressed by this subject for a long time.
There is a neighborhood not to far from here that has deed restrictions. No RV parking in driveway, no clothline poles, no outbuilding, antennes, satelite dishes and fences. I suppose if you want to live there and sign your rights away that would be your own business.
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Well I have felt oppressed by this subject for a long time.
There is a neighborhood not to far from here that has deed restrictions. No RV parking in driveway, no clothline poles, no outbuilding, antennes, satelite dishes and fences. I suppose if you want to live there and sign your rights away that would be your own business.

Well, truth be told, I'm not sure I'm entirely AGAINST neighborhood associations, either. I mean, when it already exists and you move in and voluntarily sign the contract to abide by the rules, well, there you go.

But when you already live somewhere and someone pulls this shit behind your back, well, that's different. Then you have the right to bitch about it.

But I'd never move into that neighborhood near you for the exact reasons you described. Not that I want to park an RV, or anything else you said... I just don't want a bunch of cocksuckers telling me I can't. But if they volunteer for it, more power to them.

I want to just find a quiet corner of farmer's land, buy it at a fair price, and build. Hope there are no laws against that. Yet. I'm sure there will be someday.




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And PS - I hope the main argument isn't going to be "well yeah but republicans do it too." Because that isn't an argument, it's a subject change.
I have no arguement against your post. I agree with it. But I do have to chime in to say:

Liberalism = no economic freedoms
Conservatism = no social freedoms

Both are my bitter enemies.
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But I'd never move into that neighborhood near you for the exact reasons you described.
Me, either. Oh, I might rent there, but I would never own anything there.

Hell, I wouldn't even consider owning land in any city with zoning laws. I've been looking to purchase a piece of land around here, and I found the perfect chunk of ground at the right price over in Pasadena, TX. But Pasadena has zoning laws and rules about how to build your house so fuck 'em. I'll live and pay taxes somewhere else, like Houston which has no zoning or private construction laws, or maybe further out in the county where there are no goddamned city officials to get their noses up my ass.
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Conservatism = no social freedoms
I guess that's where my libertarianism is, because though I don't see conservatism in that way, I do personally feel that way. Social freedom, I mean. But I NEED to be on the opposite side of that, and I NEED to be free to criticize free social trends when I see fit.

No laws. But plenty of criticism and the liberty to call bullshit when bullshit exists, not be gagged in the legislation and advancement of political correctness.
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So why is there never a Libertarian revolution?
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Libertarianism has been given a nutball image, I'm not sure how.
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No laws. But plenty of criticism and the liberty to call bullshit when bullshit exists, not be gagged in the legislation and advancement of political correctness.
Indeed. I think you and I mostly agree on issues. It's just the perception about who is evil these days where we split.
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That's why I like the label "hippies" as a catch-all.
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Libertarianism has been given a nutball image, I'm not sure how.
Someone saying that everyone should essentially take care of their own shit & find a reason to get along in society other than the laws that are put into place? That shit sounds dangerous, difficult, & expensive. Fuck that, someone else can pay for it.
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Yeah, IIRC the last time someone said people should see to their own problems and let every man treat their neighbors as they themselves would want to be treated, they crucified that poor bastard.
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Nailed him right the fuck to a tree.
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Well I'm personally offended that the developers in my city will bulldoze a city block of unique 100 year old homes that have charm and character to put up a 100 unit condo at 450k a piece. And then have the balls to get the lack of parking restrictions of the old neighborhood grandfathered in so the dickheads can put 300 people living in a small space and not have to provide any parking beyond 1 spot per building.

McMansions? At least they don't all look the same like most of the pieces of shit they are putting up around here for +$800k on a tiny piece of land. I hate planned communities and stamp housing. Some order is good, but every single house being 1 of 2 floor plans? Bah.

I really just hate development that I don't agree with. But you don't see me going off and trying to get laws passed to protect my right to never be offended by jerkoff developers. I either just move or figure that's the price of doing business in America.
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what selb said

cookie-cutter apartments piss me off, but they're the natural extension of the right to do whatever you want with your own land including sell it to developers with no aesthetic sense

just need to get really fucking rich and then live somewhere that people agree with me that houses look nicer than painted boxes
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Well, if you are againt cookie cutter houses, then I hope you're equally against cookie-cutter food, clothing, stores, drugs, and cars.

Damned mass production keeping our aesthetic values down.




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