Reminds me of a movie I saw once. The police can see into future so they show up and arrest you for murder before you commit the murder. That is next right after this. Can't possibly see how this is legal or right.
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Well, guess I'll be driving around Ohio instead of through it.
I wonder if you can challenge the officer's calibration in court. You know, make him tell you the speed of a couple of different moving cars and make sure he's dialed in correctly.
I wonder if you can challenge the officer's calibration in court. You know, make him tell you the speed of a couple of different moving cars and make sure he's dialed in correctly.
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Considering it's good enough for the gov't to bilk someone for $50, it ought to be good enough to show off in court. All kinds of idiocy going on in that story, though. Dude clearly speeds. Officer estimates it low & half-asses writing the ticket, putting down a speed somewhere between what he thought & what the gun said. Make the dude pay for the ticket & dock the cop a month's pay or something for being a fucking idiot & not being able to make up his mind.TPRJones wrote:Well, guess I'll be driving around Ohio instead of through it.
I wonder if you can challenge the officer's calibration in court. You know, make him tell you the speed of a couple of different moving cars and make sure he's dialed in correctly.
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Don't know if it is a myth or not but was told if a cop couldn't prove it he couldn't write the ticket. But if you incriminated yourself he could write it. Thus the famous question. "Do you know how fast you were going?"
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I'm not entirely sure how that works. But if the gun said you were going rather too fast fast & it was plainly apparent that you were going at least too fast, then this is nitpicking. The cop should've just written whatever the gun said on the ticket & not reported his speculation as any different.
This isn't a dude who might not have been speeding & was wrongfully accused. He's a dude who was, without a shadow of a doubt, going faster than the posted limit & he's trying to weasel out of a law on a technicality. Granted, that's what tends to happen with stupid laws, but at the end of the day, the gov't has more guns than you & can take pretty much whatever they want whenever they want from you because of that fact.
This isn't a dude who might not have been speeding & was wrongfully accused. He's a dude who was, without a shadow of a doubt, going faster than the posted limit & he's trying to weasel out of a law on a technicality. Granted, that's what tends to happen with stupid laws, but at the end of the day, the gov't has more guns than you & can take pretty much whatever they want whenever they want from you because of that fact.
Diogenes of Sinope: "It is not that I am mad, it is only that my head is different from yours."
Arnold Judas Rimmer, BSC, SSC: "Better dead than smeg."
Arnold Judas Rimmer, BSC, SSC: "Better dead than smeg."
This is ignorant.
What the fuck are those judges thinking? They should be disbarred for stupidity.
Nobody can accurately tell how fast cars are going consistently. Nobody.
And yes, if you can prove a radar unit wasn't recently calibrated or was out of whack, you can get out of a ticket. (Ditto if you can prove the speed limit where you were caught was wrong based on the laws governing speed limits.)
So how can they say a person doesn't have to pay if a calibrated piece of machinery might be wrong, but they do if a flawed human guessed at how fast they were going?
What the fuck are those judges thinking? They should be disbarred for stupidity.
Nobody can accurately tell how fast cars are going consistently. Nobody.
And yes, if you can prove a radar unit wasn't recently calibrated or was out of whack, you can get out of a ticket. (Ditto if you can prove the speed limit where you were caught was wrong based on the laws governing speed limits.)
So how can they say a person doesn't have to pay if a calibrated piece of machinery might be wrong, but they do if a flawed human guessed at how fast they were going?
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I might not be able to peg the difference between 60 & 61 100% of the time, but I'd wager my percentage at differentiating 30mph from 70mph is good enough. If you estimate 70mph & the gun reads 82 or 83, then that sounds reasonable. Why the fuck he didn't just go with the gun's reading is beyond me.Leisher wrote:Nobody can accurately tell how fast cars are going consistently. Nobody.
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So how can they say a person doesn't have to pay if a calibrated piece of machinery might be wrong, but they do if a flawed human guessed at how fast they were going?
Regardless, it appears the cop was an idiot & didn't follow procedure. As such, I suppose that, legally, the dude should get his ticket thrown out. I'm still not feeling much judicial outrage in his favour, though. The judges appear to be dumber than the cop, since there's several of them who have come to same psychotic conclusions. Here's one theoretical consequence of their decision :
"Why'd you pull me over?"
"You drove through that traffic light back there."
"Uh, it was green."
"It looked red enough to me. You also ran through a stop sign."
"That was yield sign."
"I'm pretty sure it was a stop sign."
Back to arguments of legality ...
But Kim, Jenney's attorney, argued that Santimarino was not qualified to operate the radar gun because the officer could not produce a certificate proving he was trained to use it or explain the two different readings. The radar evidence was thrown out.
That should be it, game over. However ...
It is rare for officers to issue a ticket on observation alone, said Ted Hart, a spokesman for the Ohio Attorney General's office
That implies it's entirely possible for this one cop (not a State Highway Patrol officer) to issue citations based on some other bullshit criteria which don't include radar guns. Find the law which explicitly states it's impossible to issue tickets based on visual estimates alone for that cop in that county.
Diogenes of Sinope: "It is not that I am mad, it is only that my head is different from yours."
Arnold Judas Rimmer, BSC, SSC: "Better dead than smeg."
Arnold Judas Rimmer, BSC, SSC: "Better dead than smeg."
I was talking to a farmer today what is next. I think you are overweight. So I am going to give you a ticket. No scales for proof. I am the constable and judge so pay up I said so.
I just think it is getting so ridiculous. I was pulled over for speeding he said I put on the seat belt on after he pulled me over going 60 passing me the other way going 35. I said bull and he dropped the seat belt.
Money grubbing assholes.
I just think it is getting so ridiculous. I was pulled over for speeding he said I put on the seat belt on after he pulled me over going 60 passing me the other way going 35. I said bull and he dropped the seat belt.
Money grubbing assholes.
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If the mafia could put out commercials like that to put better PR spins on their protection rackets, they would.unkbill wrote:Didn't you see the seatbelt commercial. Cops right tickets to save lives. HEH.Malcolm wrote:Gee, laws are just there to fleece the public out of money? The hell you say.
Diogenes of Sinope: "It is not that I am mad, it is only that my head is different from yours."
Arnold Judas Rimmer, BSC, SSC: "Better dead than smeg."
Arnold Judas Rimmer, BSC, SSC: "Better dead than smeg."
Click it or ticket. We break your knuckles because we care!Malcolm wrote:If the mafia could put out commercials like that to put better PR spins on their protection rackets, they would.unkbill wrote:Didn't you see the seatbelt commercial. Cops right tickets to save lives. HEH.Malcolm wrote:Gee, laws are just there to fleece the public out of money? The hell you say.
In marriage there is always one person right. And the other one is the husband.