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Posted: Tue Apr 05, 2016 11:34 am
by Malcolm
Fine. He fucking shot and killed Darkseid with a gun which lead to an entire schtick that required time travel and other such bullshit to undo that. Snyder's also been on my "hack radar" since he made this piece of shit.
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Posted: Tue Apr 05, 2016 11:42 am
by TheCatt
Sucker Punch was such a potentially great idea.
Posted: Tue Apr 05, 2016 11:52 am
by Leisher
Fine. He fucking shot and killed Darkseid with a gun which lead to an entire schtick that required time travel and other such bullshit to undo that.
When? And I'm not sure if Darkseid would count. He's not exactly a human who can be reformed and work part time at the 7/11.
And why are you trying to dig up obscure references to try and counteract an established mythos? Are you really Zach Snyder? Show me the examples where he uses a machine gun to mow down enemies (and I'm not talking about the dream sequences).
Sucker Punch was such a potentially great idea.
The visuals in that movie were amazing, but the execution...
Posted: Tue Apr 05, 2016 12:00 pm
by Malcolm
Posted: Tue Apr 05, 2016 1:43 pm
by Leisher
Can Superman fly? You immediately say "yes" because we all know he does, but originally he couldn't. He just jumped high and far. Does that mean Superman can't fly?
No because his legend was changed once the character was fleshed out.
Rick Grimes broke the fuck out of his hand and it would "never heal right" beating up a child molesting serial killer. Then he had his other hand cut off, so Robert Kirkman simply dropped the issues with his dominant hand.
Shit changes to fit a character as he or she is fleshed out. Sometimes for the better, sometimes not so much.
People complained about Wolverine in recent years because he became too invincible.
Anyway, back to the point, Batman doesn't kill. He certainly doesn't address all problems head on not using stealth or intimidation.
Posted: Tue Apr 05, 2016 1:47 pm
by Malcolm
Bah. You're telling me the Frank Miller Batman wouldn't ice a motherfucker with the right motivation?
Posted: Tue Apr 05, 2016 2:02 pm
by Leisher
WB claims they're not concerned about the 58% drop off from last weekend.
Suuuuuuuuuuuuuuurrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrre.
You're telling me the Frank Miller Batman wouldn't ice a motherfucker with the right motivation?
I do not think he would. Also, if we're now including alternate Batmen, then you'd find your killers.
Posted: Tue Apr 05, 2016 9:18 pm
by GORDON
Leisher wrote:That's the problem with BvS and the problem with DC movies in general. They simply don't stay true to the source material.
Maybe that's why I didn't hate it, I don't know the source material very well.
Posted: Wed Apr 06, 2016 12:31 am
by Malcolm
Posted: Wed Apr 06, 2016 9:07 am
by Leisher
Maybe that's why I didn't hate it, I don't know the source material very well.
I don't think you need an intimate understanding of Batman to know what he represents.
He's supposedly the world's greatest detective. He's always two steps ahead of his enemies. He wears the suit to spook his enemies and intimidate them. He uses stealth. He doesn't kill.
Does that sound like Batman in the movie?
During his fight with Doomsday in the original comic, all Superman does is worry about the people getting caught in the crossfire. He's flying to grab people out of cars Doomsday flings, he's going into burning houses to pull people out, he's constantly thinking to himself to guide Doomsday away from populated areas, etc.
Does that sound like the Superman in the movie?
Azrael4life, bitches.
Now that was a Batman that killed people.
Posted: Wed Apr 06, 2016 10:49 am
by GORDON
Leisher wrote:Maybe that's why I didn't hate it, I don't know the source material very well.
I don't think you need an intimate understanding of Batman to know what he represents.
He's supposedly the world's greatest detective. He's always two steps ahead of his enemies. He wears the suit to spook his enemies and intimidate them. He uses stealth. He doesn't kill.
Does that sound like Batman in the movie?
But this movie made clear that he is old and tired and he now believes that playing by his own rules doesn't work. Alfred tells him he's too old to die young, and he's basically wasting his life. He says himself that in Gotham that there are no good guys left. He's tired and jaded and his head is up his ass... and there is a one-liner from Alexander Luthor that says he's been actively fucking with Bruce Wayne's head to push him over the edge.
So no, my first watch I was thinking the same thing. After I had time to digest it, I saw that the movie skipped a bunch of *time passes and Bruce Wayne gets sick of it all and decides fuckit, get off my lawn*
Posted: Wed Apr 06, 2016 10:50 am
by Leisher
11 day total for Iron Man 3 - $289,562,441
11 day total for BvS - $263,600,462
BvS box office compared to 3 other superhero films.
WB can try to spin this however they want, but those numbers are not good. Not for a movie that's supposed to be the stepping stone into your expanded universe, and certainly not when you factor in the backlash its received.
Posted: Wed Apr 06, 2016 10:53 am
by GORDON
I decided this morning that while they are stupid, STUPID for not emulating the Marvel universe strategy as closely as possible, I don't need all my art to be strictly Van Gogh.
Posted: Wed Apr 06, 2016 10:54 am
by Leisher
GORDON wrote:Leisher wrote:Maybe that's why I didn't hate it, I don't know the source material very well.
I don't think you need an intimate understanding of Batman to know what he represents.
He's supposedly the world's greatest detective. He's always two steps ahead of his enemies. He wears the suit to spook his enemies and intimidate them. He uses stealth. He doesn't kill.
Does that sound like Batman in the movie?
But this movie made clear that he is old and tired and he now believes that playing by his own rules doesn't work. Alfred tells him he's too old to die young, and he's basically wasting his life. He says himself that in Gotham that there are no good guys left. He's tired and jaded and his head is up his ass... and there is a one-liner from Alexander Luthor that says he's been actively fucking with Bruce Wayne's head to push him over the edge.
So no, my first watch I was thinking the same thing. After I had time to digest it, I saw that the movie skipped a bunch of *time passes and Bruce Wayne gets sick of it all and decides fuckit, get off my lawn*
Because that's who Batman becomes in The Dark Knight? (Book, not the movie.)
Never did he say playing by his rules don't work. He says he's beaten nothing but criminals who are replaced non-stop, but stopping this alien would make a real difference.
And Lex fucks with him how? (I had something here, but it's spoiler material. Probably a lot of what you wrote too.
Posted: Wed Apr 06, 2016 10:56 am
by Leisher
I don't need all my art to be strictly Van Gogh.
But don't you see? This movie tries hard as fuck to be Van Gogh.
Marvel doesn't work that hard. They want their movies to be approachable by casual and hardcore fans.
It's occurring to me that the more people feel the need to defend this movie, the more I'm realizing what a disaster it is...
It's also occurring to me that, at the very least, people are talking about it...
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Posted: Wed Apr 06, 2016 1:12 pm
by Malcolm
But this movie made clear that he is old and tired and he now believes that playing by his own rules doesn't work.
That's un-Batman in and of itself. Batman does not quit, ever, and he will fuck you up from his ER bed in his 90s if you think otherwise. In the comics, Bane literally breaks his back and it's not enough to make him stop. He's the dude that stashed secret files on the other JLA members on how to neutralize them if they ever turn on him. He sits around most days doing nothing but dreaming up every plan he might ever need to ruin your life.
Posted: Wed Apr 06, 2016 1:33 pm
by Malcolm
DC's revamped plan:
Suicide Squad - August 5, 2016
Wonder Woman - June 2, 2017
Justice League: Part One - November 17, 2017
The Flash - March 16, 2018
Aquaman - July 27, 2018
Untitled DC Movie - Oct. 5, 2018
Shazam - April 5, 2019
Justice League: Part Two - June 14, 2019
Untitled DC Movie - Nov. 1, 2019
Cyborg - April 3, 2020
Green Lantern Corps - June 19, 2020
Why?
According to The Hollywood Reporter, two currently-untitled DC movies have been scheduled for Oct. 5, 2018 and Nov. 1, 2019. Wonder Woman has subsequently been moved from its June 23, 2017 spot to an earlier release on June 2 that same year, pitting it against Bad Boys 3 and Captain Underpants. This means that fans will get three DC movies in 2018 and 2019, matching the same number of Marvel Cinematic Universe’s releases both those years.
Posted: Wed Apr 06, 2016 2:15 pm
by GORDON
Leisher wrote:It's also occurring to me that, at the very least, people are talking about it...
The thread about it on something awful is getting about 500 replies a day, still. That's a shitload, for 2 weeks later.
And I think it only gets defended so much because it gts attacked so much. When I say I like it, and someone else says it is shit... welp, I may feel compelled to explain myself.
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Posted: Wed Apr 06, 2016 2:20 pm
by Leisher
GORDON wrote:Leisher wrote:It's also occurring to me that, at the very least, people are talking about it...
The thread about it on something awful is getting about 500 replies a day, still. That's a shitload, for 2 weeks later.
And I think it only gets defended so much because it gts attacked so much. When I say I like it, and someone else says it is shit... welp, I may feel compelled to explain myself.
Have you read my example in the spoiler thread yet? You might understand my position more if you do. (Not to mention TPR's far more succinct explanation...)
Talking about something can be great, but it can also show how bad something is too.
For example: I hear Donald Trump's name multiple times a day. Not for good reasons.
Point being, I think people are talking so much because this movie is so divisive. And honestly, end of the day, Zach Snyder shit all over the source material, which is something you've condemned previously with other films. So stop arguing and accept the fact that this movie, while enjoyable to watch, was shit. :p
Posted: Wed Apr 06, 2016 2:27 pm
by GORDON
Yes, I read your post, and I understand your point, but I think your example was pretty extreme. They veered away from the comics, a bit. Not every aspect of his character, but a big one... the gratuitous killing. But they gave an explanation for it in the movie, and I am not... what's the word... married? to the source material, and I can live with it. Old, grizzled batman no longer gives a fuck and is branding people and killing them trying to steal kryptonite.... in order to destroy a bigger threat. Ok. I get what they are saying, and fine.
So I understand why people hate that aspect, but I just don't have the strong feelings about that particular thing so it doesn't affect my opinion of the poorly edited film.
