Fine. He fucking shot and killed Darkseid with a gun which lead to an entire schtick that required time travel and other such bullshit to undo that. Snyder's also been on my "hack radar" since he made this piece of shit.
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Batman Vs Superman
Fine. He fucking shot and killed Darkseid with a gun which lead to an entire schtick that required time travel and other such bullshit to undo that.
When? And I'm not sure if Darkseid would count. He's not exactly a human who can be reformed and work part time at the 7/11.
And why are you trying to dig up obscure references to try and counteract an established mythos? Are you really Zach Snyder? Show me the examples where he uses a machine gun to mow down enemies (and I'm not talking about the dream sequences).
Sucker Punch was such a potentially great idea.
The visuals in that movie were amazing, but the execution...
"Happy slaves are the worst enemies of freedom." - Marie Von Ebner
"It was always the women, and above all the young ones, who were the most bigoted adherents of the Party, the swallowers of slogans, the amateur spies..." - Orwell
"It was always the women, and above all the young ones, who were the most bigoted adherents of the Party, the swallowers of slogans, the amateur spies..." - Orwell
Can Superman fly? You immediately say "yes" because we all know he does, but originally he couldn't. He just jumped high and far. Does that mean Superman can't fly?
No because his legend was changed once the character was fleshed out.
Rick Grimes broke the fuck out of his hand and it would "never heal right" beating up a child molesting serial killer. Then he had his other hand cut off, so Robert Kirkman simply dropped the issues with his dominant hand.
Shit changes to fit a character as he or she is fleshed out. Sometimes for the better, sometimes not so much.
People complained about Wolverine in recent years because he became too invincible.
Anyway, back to the point, Batman doesn't kill. He certainly doesn't address all problems head on not using stealth or intimidation.
No because his legend was changed once the character was fleshed out.
Rick Grimes broke the fuck out of his hand and it would "never heal right" beating up a child molesting serial killer. Then he had his other hand cut off, so Robert Kirkman simply dropped the issues with his dominant hand.
Shit changes to fit a character as he or she is fleshed out. Sometimes for the better, sometimes not so much.
People complained about Wolverine in recent years because he became too invincible.
Anyway, back to the point, Batman doesn't kill. He certainly doesn't address all problems head on not using stealth or intimidation.
"Happy slaves are the worst enemies of freedom." - Marie Von Ebner
"It was always the women, and above all the young ones, who were the most bigoted adherents of the Party, the swallowers of slogans, the amateur spies..." - Orwell
"It was always the women, and above all the young ones, who were the most bigoted adherents of the Party, the swallowers of slogans, the amateur spies..." - Orwell
WB claims they're not concerned about the 58% drop off from last weekend.
Suuuuuuuuuuuuuuurrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrre.
I do not think he would. Also, if we're now including alternate Batmen, then you'd find your killers.
Suuuuuuuuuuuuuuurrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrre.
You're telling me the Frank Miller Batman wouldn't ice a motherfucker with the right motivation?
I do not think he would. Also, if we're now including alternate Batmen, then you'd find your killers.
"Happy slaves are the worst enemies of freedom." - Marie Von Ebner
"It was always the women, and above all the young ones, who were the most bigoted adherents of the Party, the swallowers of slogans, the amateur spies..." - Orwell
"It was always the women, and above all the young ones, who were the most bigoted adherents of the Party, the swallowers of slogans, the amateur spies..." - Orwell
Azrael4life, bitches.Leisher wrote:WB claims they're not concerned about the 58% drop off from last weekend.
Suuuuuuuuuuuuuuurrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrre.
I do not think he would. Also, if we're now including alternate Batmen, then you'd find your killers.You're telling me the Frank Miller Batman wouldn't ice a motherfucker with the right motivation?
Diogenes of Sinope: "It is not that I am mad, it is only that my head is different from yours."
Arnold Judas Rimmer, BSC, SSC: "Better dead than smeg."
Arnold Judas Rimmer, BSC, SSC: "Better dead than smeg."
Maybe that's why I didn't hate it, I don't know the source material very well.
I don't think you need an intimate understanding of Batman to know what he represents.
He's supposedly the world's greatest detective. He's always two steps ahead of his enemies. He wears the suit to spook his enemies and intimidate them. He uses stealth. He doesn't kill.
Does that sound like Batman in the movie?
During his fight with Doomsday in the original comic, all Superman does is worry about the people getting caught in the crossfire. He's flying to grab people out of cars Doomsday flings, he's going into burning houses to pull people out, he's constantly thinking to himself to guide Doomsday away from populated areas, etc.
Does that sound like the Superman in the movie?
Azrael4life, bitches.
Now that was a Batman that killed people.
"Happy slaves are the worst enemies of freedom." - Marie Von Ebner
"It was always the women, and above all the young ones, who were the most bigoted adherents of the Party, the swallowers of slogans, the amateur spies..." - Orwell
"It was always the women, and above all the young ones, who were the most bigoted adherents of the Party, the swallowers of slogans, the amateur spies..." - Orwell
But this movie made clear that he is old and tired and he now believes that playing by his own rules doesn't work. Alfred tells him he's too old to die young, and he's basically wasting his life. He says himself that in Gotham that there are no good guys left. He's tired and jaded and his head is up his ass... and there is a one-liner from Alexander Luthor that says he's been actively fucking with Bruce Wayne's head to push him over the edge.Leisher wrote:I don't think you need an intimate understanding of Batman to know what he represents.Maybe that's why I didn't hate it, I don't know the source material very well.
He's supposedly the world's greatest detective. He's always two steps ahead of his enemies. He wears the suit to spook his enemies and intimidate them. He uses stealth. He doesn't kill.
Does that sound like Batman in the movie?
So no, my first watch I was thinking the same thing. After I had time to digest it, I saw that the movie skipped a bunch of *time passes and Bruce Wayne gets sick of it all and decides fuckit, get off my lawn*
"Be bold, and mighty forces will come to your aid."
11 day total for Iron Man 3 - $289,562,441
11 day total for BvS - $263,600,462
BvS box office compared to 3 other superhero films.
WB can try to spin this however they want, but those numbers are not good. Not for a movie that's supposed to be the stepping stone into your expanded universe, and certainly not when you factor in the backlash its received.
11 day total for BvS - $263,600,462
BvS box office compared to 3 other superhero films.
WB can try to spin this however they want, but those numbers are not good. Not for a movie that's supposed to be the stepping stone into your expanded universe, and certainly not when you factor in the backlash its received.
"Happy slaves are the worst enemies of freedom." - Marie Von Ebner
"It was always the women, and above all the young ones, who were the most bigoted adherents of the Party, the swallowers of slogans, the amateur spies..." - Orwell
"It was always the women, and above all the young ones, who were the most bigoted adherents of the Party, the swallowers of slogans, the amateur spies..." - Orwell
Because that's who Batman becomes in The Dark Knight? (Book, not the movie.)GORDON wrote:But this movie made clear that he is old and tired and he now believes that playing by his own rules doesn't work. Alfred tells him he's too old to die young, and he's basically wasting his life. He says himself that in Gotham that there are no good guys left. He's tired and jaded and his head is up his ass... and there is a one-liner from Alexander Luthor that says he's been actively fucking with Bruce Wayne's head to push him over the edge.Leisher wrote:I don't think you need an intimate understanding of Batman to know what he represents.Maybe that's why I didn't hate it, I don't know the source material very well.
He's supposedly the world's greatest detective. He's always two steps ahead of his enemies. He wears the suit to spook his enemies and intimidate them. He uses stealth. He doesn't kill.
Does that sound like Batman in the movie?
So no, my first watch I was thinking the same thing. After I had time to digest it, I saw that the movie skipped a bunch of *time passes and Bruce Wayne gets sick of it all and decides fuckit, get off my lawn*
Never did he say playing by his rules don't work. He says he's beaten nothing but criminals who are replaced non-stop, but stopping this alien would make a real difference.
And Lex fucks with him how? (I had something here, but it's spoiler material. Probably a lot of what you wrote too.
"Happy slaves are the worst enemies of freedom." - Marie Von Ebner
"It was always the women, and above all the young ones, who were the most bigoted adherents of the Party, the swallowers of slogans, the amateur spies..." - Orwell
"It was always the women, and above all the young ones, who were the most bigoted adherents of the Party, the swallowers of slogans, the amateur spies..." - Orwell
I don't need all my art to be strictly Van Gogh.
But don't you see? This movie tries hard as fuck to be Van Gogh.
Marvel doesn't work that hard. They want their movies to be approachable by casual and hardcore fans.
It's occurring to me that the more people feel the need to defend this movie, the more I'm realizing what a disaster it is...
It's also occurring to me that, at the very least, people are talking about it...
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"Happy slaves are the worst enemies of freedom." - Marie Von Ebner
"It was always the women, and above all the young ones, who were the most bigoted adherents of the Party, the swallowers of slogans, the amateur spies..." - Orwell
"It was always the women, and above all the young ones, who were the most bigoted adherents of the Party, the swallowers of slogans, the amateur spies..." - Orwell
But this movie made clear that he is old and tired and he now believes that playing by his own rules doesn't work.
That's un-Batman in and of itself. Batman does not quit, ever, and he will fuck you up from his ER bed in his 90s if you think otherwise. In the comics, Bane literally breaks his back and it's not enough to make him stop. He's the dude that stashed secret files on the other JLA members on how to neutralize them if they ever turn on him. He sits around most days doing nothing but dreaming up every plan he might ever need to ruin your life.
Diogenes of Sinope: "It is not that I am mad, it is only that my head is different from yours."
Arnold Judas Rimmer, BSC, SSC: "Better dead than smeg."
Arnold Judas Rimmer, BSC, SSC: "Better dead than smeg."
DC's revamped plan:
Why?
Suicide Squad - August 5, 2016
Wonder Woman - June 2, 2017
Justice League: Part One - November 17, 2017
The Flash - March 16, 2018
Aquaman - July 27, 2018
Untitled DC Movie - Oct. 5, 2018
Shazam - April 5, 2019
Justice League: Part Two - June 14, 2019
Untitled DC Movie - Nov. 1, 2019
Cyborg - April 3, 2020
Green Lantern Corps - June 19, 2020
Why?
According to The Hollywood Reporter, two currently-untitled DC movies have been scheduled for Oct. 5, 2018 and Nov. 1, 2019. Wonder Woman has subsequently been moved from its June 23, 2017 spot to an earlier release on June 2 that same year, pitting it against Bad Boys 3 and Captain Underpants. This means that fans will get three DC movies in 2018 and 2019, matching the same number of Marvel Cinematic Universe’s releases both those years.
Diogenes of Sinope: "It is not that I am mad, it is only that my head is different from yours."
Arnold Judas Rimmer, BSC, SSC: "Better dead than smeg."
Arnold Judas Rimmer, BSC, SSC: "Better dead than smeg."
Leisher wrote:It's also occurring to me that, at the very least, people are talking about it...
The thread about it on something awful is getting about 500 replies a day, still. That's a shitload, for 2 weeks later.
And I think it only gets defended so much because it gts attacked so much. When I say I like it, and someone else says it is shit... welp, I may feel compelled to explain myself.
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"Be bold, and mighty forces will come to your aid."
Have you read my example in the spoiler thread yet? You might understand my position more if you do. (Not to mention TPR's far more succinct explanation...)GORDON wrote:The thread about it on something awful is getting about 500 replies a day, still. That's a shitload, for 2 weeks later.Leisher wrote:It's also occurring to me that, at the very least, people are talking about it...
And I think it only gets defended so much because it gts attacked so much. When I say I like it, and someone else says it is shit... welp, I may feel compelled to explain myself.
Talking about something can be great, but it can also show how bad something is too.
For example: I hear Donald Trump's name multiple times a day. Not for good reasons.
Point being, I think people are talking so much because this movie is so divisive. And honestly, end of the day, Zach Snyder shit all over the source material, which is something you've condemned previously with other films. So stop arguing and accept the fact that this movie, while enjoyable to watch, was shit. :p
"Happy slaves are the worst enemies of freedom." - Marie Von Ebner
"It was always the women, and above all the young ones, who were the most bigoted adherents of the Party, the swallowers of slogans, the amateur spies..." - Orwell
"It was always the women, and above all the young ones, who were the most bigoted adherents of the Party, the swallowers of slogans, the amateur spies..." - Orwell
Yes, I read your post, and I understand your point, but I think your example was pretty extreme. They veered away from the comics, a bit. Not every aspect of his character, but a big one... the gratuitous killing. But they gave an explanation for it in the movie, and I am not... what's the word... married? to the source material, and I can live with it. Old, grizzled batman no longer gives a fuck and is branding people and killing them trying to steal kryptonite.... in order to destroy a bigger threat. Ok. I get what they are saying, and fine.
So I understand why people hate that aspect, but I just don't have the strong feelings about that particular thing so it doesn't affect my opinion of the poorly edited film.
So I understand why people hate that aspect, but I just don't have the strong feelings about that particular thing so it doesn't affect my opinion of the poorly edited film.
"Be bold, and mighty forces will come to your aid."