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According to Gene Simmons.

Hard to argue he's wrong.
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Yeah I saw that earlier.

I dunno what to think about it. Certainly the system Gene came up on is dead....

but....

the music industry still exists. Bands are still touring, companies are still pressing CDs.

People lament that money is made touring since nobody can sell music any more due to p2p, but songwriters get none of it... according to the rules of the old system. Maybe the system needs to change to reflect the changes in technology 20 years ago.

Frank Zappa said the music industry got broken long before the internet came around because the music industry put a bunch of hippies in charge.

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I thought Frank said music was fucked when the execs became concerned with them knowing the "real scene" instead of caring about the bottom line. Then they started dictating what got let out instead of whatever made cash.



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Well, the video I just put up there said kind of the opposite of that. In the old days it was a fat cat with a cigar who didn't know wtf was good, so they signed everything and Frank says a lot of creative music got made. Then they put hippies in charge who "knew the scene" and they only signed what they thought would sell records.
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Ok. So, no one is buying records and the artist get no tour money. How are they getting rich then? Or, is that just an illusion? Cause they seem like they have money to me.
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Post by Malcolm »

Depending on the structure of the contract, I thought musicians got income from:

1) tours (Paul McCartney got 100% of the gate when I saw him)
2) merchandise (why band t-shirts always costs $25-30).
3) music sales (almost nothing)

It's extremely common for recording studios and producers to front cash, as well.
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Lately the people I have seen complaining is the songwriters who don't go on tour to make all that phat lewt. I don't know. They just need to be smarter about how they sell their songs, I guess.

But I have also seen some metal guys complaining about Spotify. Not entirely sure what is a Spotify but I bet it has something to do with the interweb.
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This is an ignorant old fart who no longer understands the industry whining about how the world has changed around him and it is confusing to him.

A more specific analogy would be how time and time again we've been told by the old farts in the Sunday comics page that the comics industry is dead. Never mind the fact that the number of artists making a successful living doing comic strips has increased by several thousand percent over the last decade. The old guys just see the syndicate system dying, and have no comprehension that there's a whole new world out there that they aren't a part of.

Same thing is happening now to the music industry. Independent musicians post their stuff to YouTube and sell tracks on iTunes and Loudr and do small tours and sell shirts and get support through Patreon and they make a living. Several times more musicians than ever before, because none of them are "getting rich" but there's more money than ever in it with many more people sharing a part of the music money pie.

To Gene, though, if you can't make millions a year it might as well be "dead", the greedy old bastard.

“It’s very sad for new bands. My heart goes out to them. They just don’t have a chance.”

Wrong! They have a better change than they ever have before of being able to do what they love and make a livable income from it. They have less chance of becoming some sort of mega-star super rich asshole like him, sure, but if that's all they care about they can go buy lottery tickets, which have always had about the same odds as "making it big" in the music industry.




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