Episode III: Spoiler thread Mark II
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DoctorChaos
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Sorry, I missed all that insight.
I saw it this weekend and wasn't entirely disappointed.
But I couldn't believe Luke's father was Darth Vader! (Sorry, obligitory)
The plot was pretty good. You could identify with Anakin's reasons for going to the dark side. The action was pretty good.
But there was no fuckin' continuity with the rest of the series, 4-6. I don't count one and two. What a waste of celluoid.
Return of the Jedi, Leah says she remembers her mother. How in-vitro? Death Star taking over 10 years to build when the second one takes a few years?
The other problem I have with the Sith. They seem to mooch off the Jedi for apprentices. Only two sith, master and apprentice. Jeeze we have a little more back up in public office. So in the space of three movies Darth Sidious consumes 2 and 1/2 apprentices. Come on, Vader is only half the man he used to be at the end of this.
If any of you read the Timothy Zahn books you also know that there is a ship of Jedi that fled the republic prior to the war, and dark jedi were everywhere.
Also a note for Lucas. For the love of God, stop writing love sceens. I was physically ill listening to that ****! I think it was right after that my 4 year old said, "Daddy, I want to go now". I made her stick it out because my son and I were there for the final fight! That was pretty good.
All in all, I'll own this one and try to get the duals from the other two on disc.
Oh, Yoda would have kicked Sidious's wrikled ass. I mean Mace Windu beat that bitch.
Edited By DoctorChaos on 1117589117
I saw it this weekend and wasn't entirely disappointed.
But I couldn't believe Luke's father was Darth Vader! (Sorry, obligitory)
The plot was pretty good. You could identify with Anakin's reasons for going to the dark side. The action was pretty good.
But there was no fuckin' continuity with the rest of the series, 4-6. I don't count one and two. What a waste of celluoid.
Return of the Jedi, Leah says she remembers her mother. How in-vitro? Death Star taking over 10 years to build when the second one takes a few years?
The other problem I have with the Sith. They seem to mooch off the Jedi for apprentices. Only two sith, master and apprentice. Jeeze we have a little more back up in public office. So in the space of three movies Darth Sidious consumes 2 and 1/2 apprentices. Come on, Vader is only half the man he used to be at the end of this.
If any of you read the Timothy Zahn books you also know that there is a ship of Jedi that fled the republic prior to the war, and dark jedi were everywhere.
Also a note for Lucas. For the love of God, stop writing love sceens. I was physically ill listening to that ****! I think it was right after that my 4 year old said, "Daddy, I want to go now". I made her stick it out because my son and I were there for the final fight! That was pretty good.
All in all, I'll own this one and try to get the duals from the other two on disc.
Oh, Yoda would have kicked Sidious's wrikled ass. I mean Mace Windu beat that bitch.
Edited By DoctorChaos on 1117589117
Wadda mean? Other people can read this?!
1. -1000000000000000 &1. How about the prequels overall? How many out of 10?I give it a 4/10.
2. And, did Lucas hurt the franchise overall by making the prequels?
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2. Yes, dear goat-fucking god, yes.
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That was set up to push Anikan into betraying the counsel. Sidious was never in any danger.Oh, Yoda would have kicked Sidious's wrikled ass. I mean Mace Windu beat that bitch.
As far as the Sith and the Dark Jedi go, in Knight of The Old Republic (the game) a Sith and a dark jedi are not the same thing.
Kind of like how representatives and senators are training to where they could be President or Vice Preisdent,
"... and then I was forced to walk the Trail of Tears." - Elizabeth Warren
Saw it tonight.
Hayden Christianson is the worst actor ever.
Personally, I think Lucas fucked the franchise up.
He should give Tarantino the three Timothy Zahn books and tell him to make the last three movies based on them.
Hayden Christianson is the worst actor ever.
Personally, I think Lucas fucked the franchise up.
He should give Tarantino the three Timothy Zahn books and tell him to make the last three movies based on them.
"Happy slaves are the worst enemies of freedom." - Marie Von Ebner
"It was always the women, and above all the young ones, who were the most bigoted adherents of the Party, the swallowers of slogans, the amateur spies..." - Orwell
"It was always the women, and above all the young ones, who were the most bigoted adherents of the Party, the swallowers of slogans, the amateur spies..." - Orwell
I was somewhat pleased with Ep III. The second watching was better than the first.
I do look forward to it hitting DVD so I can watch all of them in order. I think the best I've heard about what order to watch them in is:
* Ep IV
* Ep V
(wavy flashback lines)
* Ep I
* Ep II
* Clone Wars Seasons 1 & 2
* Ep III
(wavy unflashback lines)
* Ep VI
This way a new viewer gets a good start with IV (instead of I *shudder*), and the surprise of V isn't ruined. Treating the three original eps as a flashback just fits nicely, since V ends with all the stuff about I'm Your Daddy and There is Another and whatnot.
I do look forward to it hitting DVD so I can watch all of them in order. I think the best I've heard about what order to watch them in is:
* Ep IV
* Ep V
(wavy flashback lines)
* Ep I
* Ep II
* Clone Wars Seasons 1 & 2
* Ep III
(wavy unflashback lines)
* Ep VI
This way a new viewer gets a good start with IV (instead of I *shudder*), and the surprise of V isn't ruined. Treating the three original eps as a flashback just fits nicely, since V ends with all the stuff about I'm Your Daddy and There is Another and whatnot.
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Oh, and I have this theory I like about Annikan. Palpatine talks about Darth Plageous creating life and his apprentice learning how to and then killing him. He looks somewhat whistful as he relates that last part, so I think he was that apprentice. I also think he himself created Annikan in order to use the Jedi's prophecy against them by turning him once they took him into their ranks, which is why Palpatin became his buddy so quickly when he came to Couriscant. He knew exactly who he was already, and was expecting him.
I like that better than the random virgin birth messiah crap that's the other option, at least.
I like that better than the random virgin birth messiah crap that's the other option, at least.
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Anakin wasn't the guy in the prophecy. Yoda implied that in Ep III.
Luke was the guy who would bring balance to the force. Something that's talked about in even more detail in the Timothy Zahn books.
And when we speak of balance, its Luke's abilities that were balanced. Luke, in the Zahn books, was able to use both light and dark powers.
And Zahn's books are the ONLY SW books officially recognized by Lucas as continuing the SW series after Ep VI.
Luke was the guy who would bring balance to the force. Something that's talked about in even more detail in the Timothy Zahn books.
And when we speak of balance, its Luke's abilities that were balanced. Luke, in the Zahn books, was able to use both light and dark powers.
And Zahn's books are the ONLY SW books officially recognized by Lucas as continuing the SW series after Ep VI.
"Happy slaves are the worst enemies of freedom." - Marie Von Ebner
"It was always the women, and above all the young ones, who were the most bigoted adherents of the Party, the swallowers of slogans, the amateur spies..." - Orwell
"It was always the women, and above all the young ones, who were the most bigoted adherents of the Party, the swallowers of slogans, the amateur spies..." - Orwell
There was a thread on slashdot recently, and someone made the argument that R2-D2 is the real focus of the movies...
It has been my speculation since about 2 seconds before the end of Episode 2 that R2 is, in fact, an avatar of the force. Here's the details of the theory:
Long ago, Corsicant, a plantet girded by a single city, became not just self-aware (which many droids are), but self-motivated and free-willed.
It decided that humans (and I'll use that term, even when I mean "all biological sentients") were a threat of some sort. Perhaps their wars could have destroyed the computer, or some other, more subtle sort of threat.
In order to keep humans in check, it produced a nanotech tool called mediclorians, which could simulate a number of seemingly magical effects such as enhancing strength, generating magnetic and gravitation fields, providing sensory data, modifying the moods and simple surface-thoguhts of other (by dispersing a small cloud of them into the target creature) beings.
By dispersing this tool among the humans, two factions were created. The first (the Sith) were meant to maintain order, but they were too ruthless, and warred among themselves. So, a second group was created to counterpoint the Sith (the Jedi). This group, however, simply wiped out the Sith, rather than achieving a balance with them.
Anakin was created either directly by Corsicant's agents and avatars or by Palpatine on behalf of the planet (almost certainly without knowing the purpose). R2 was sent along by way of Padme to look after Anakin and make sure he was being guided down the path to "restoring balance to the force" (which becomes quite a bit more sinister when you think about it meaning the death of all but a handful of Jedi from the beginning).
Evidence:
R2 is the hero in so many scenes in all six movies that the point is hardly worth mentioning.
"He's been known to be wrong... from time to time." We never do establish how smart R2 is, but clearly it's far beyond the capabilities of most Astro Droids.
Several times people do things around R2 which make little sense (e.g. wiping the memory of C3PO, but not R2, combat droids deciding that the noise in the corner was "nothing"... do droids here things when R2 ISN'T around?)
R2 and Yoda have a very interesting relationship. Either R2 makes Yoda forget who he is (surely a blue R2 unit showing up along side Luke isn't a mere coincidence), or they both know what's going on... which makes me wonder who exactly WAS Yoda's master....
R2 is everywhere that an avatar of Corsicant would need to be to see the prophesy fulfilled and then set the whole process in motion again.
"Be bold, and mighty forces will come to your aid."
From the Jedi point of view "balance" is no sith, I would say that it is unbalanced toward good but what do I know.And... remember this crap about "bringing balance to the force?" Why would the Jedi Councel want to bring balance to the force? They were winning.
The way I understand it the Jedi aren't good they are netural or just there. They want to let nature take its course, where as Sith want to control all which leads to an imbalance.
Personally I like the good vs. evil idea then the balance one.