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Setting up 2 PCs running Windows 7 to be able to see each others' C drives.

They are both recognized by the router, so both have an IP address.

I have the C drive of each PC shared with a unique name.

Sharing is on, at the root level (as far as I know) and permissions are set as everyone/all.

Here's where the problem comes in:

When I am on one PC and try to see the contents of the other PC C drive, it asks me for a network password.

No network password was ever set up.

I can't get past that prompt, and it won't accept blank.

(Funny story... not well practiced with W7 and when I was googling the "How to share the root drive" issue, I saw some forum where someone asked that same question, and he was answered by a Microsoft tech who said, "We don't recommend sharing root, so here's how to share a folder." Wow, helpful.)
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May have found the answer when doing a more intelligent google search... were a lot of distractions where I was actually on the PC.

http://www.sevenforums.com/network....rd.html




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and he was answered by a Microsoft tech who said, "We don't recommend sharing root, so here's how to share a folder." Wow, helpful.

Try following their developer "Best Standards and Practices" guide for their various half-finished technologies.
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My user just told me, "Oh yeah, wait a minute, when I first turned on the computer and tried to set up the network it gave me the password and I wrote it down but I lost it."

So now I'm trying to figure out how to reset a W7 network password.

Users are the worst.
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Users are the worst.


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Anyone running W7? I just found a thing that said,

"In the future if you right click on the wireless icon in your taskbar by the clock and go to Open Network and Sharing Center and then click on Manage Wireless Networks on the left. Here you will see all of the networks that you have connected too. Right click on any connection and go properties. You will have a security tab that shows the security details of the network including the password. Click the box to show characters and there you go."

I don't have a W7 system in front of me at the moment, can someone verify that it is possible to just look at the pword on the particular machine?
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That shows the wireless network key (like for WPA/WEP).

I assume what you want is the network neighborhood password (or sharegroup? or whatever windows calls it?) I don't deal with the Windows network hassle. I just setup accounts with the same userid/password on each machine, then they can connect to the other machine's file shares.

\\machinename\c$ is the default administrative share.

Although, it occurs to me I run Windows 7 Ultimate... what version are you working with? The lower-end ones may have different sharing stuff.
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Right, it makes sense that it would show the WEP key.

Which leaves me stuck. Dammit.

And I am not even sure what version of 7 it is. Was too hectic to take the time and peruse. I was too busy uninstalling shit like McAfee Firewall Trial period bullshit with a bunch of lookeeloos. Going back this morning.
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That shows the wireless network key (like for WPA/WEP).


Correct.

W7 is not going to show you any passwords. You need to dig up some sort of crack OR if this password is specific to this network connect, remove the network connection and rebuild it without the password.
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Shit. Most of the problems I know like this break down to registry hacks. Can't say I've needed to dual share two entire C drives, though.
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I'll post some of this just as FYI:

The network password wasn't as hard to fix as I first thought. First of all, if you go into the advances network settings, you can completely disable the prompt for network password. But in doing more stuff, I found the spot where you can just display it because I guess that network password thing is a security measure to make it "easier" to build a little secure workgroup on a few windows PCs.

Here's the funny part: I spent a few hours getting those 2 Windows 7 PCs talking to one another. I don't know why with every iteration of Windows it gets harder to do that, but it does. I had the the hard-wired LAN network working flawlessly, the workgroup settings were perfect, I finally had C root accessible everywhere it needed to be, and then I was able to get the client/server software talking to each other. IP printers were all functional and talking to both PCs.

Then the client said, "Ok, cool. Now I want to move this PC over here where there's no LAN access, so we'll need to connect wirelessly, oh and there's no wireless access here so here's a wireless router for you to install."

I would have been a lot less flustered at this point if the AC was working in this place and it wasn't 94 degrees outside.
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I don't know why with every iteration of Windows it gets harder to do that, but it does.

Roughly speaking, every iteration of Windows does more and more tricks. The part of Windows that allows two computers to communicate is not just a black box, but potentially an immutable black box. The longer the code stays around and does its limited job without problems, the less likely the designers are to fuck with it. Which wouldn't be a problem if the new shit every version does (mainly MS's warped vision of security gone mad) would just stop adding more and more layers of bullshit around the old functionality. MS hates changing core functionality in something as complex as Windows, so they just put it off redesigning things from first principles in exchange for lots of tiny one-off "enhancements."
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