Microsoft a few years ago: "XP is great!"

[TheCatt]

Besides, for all the pissing and moaning I hear about Vista, it makes up about 20% of the Windows OS that hit the web today. Saw that stat a couple of weeks ago. This wasn't "units sold" or any of that. It was OS's actually being used browsing the internet.

I suspect within another year Vista will make up 60%.

That stat is absolute crap, and you know it.

Like most people are going to get a new PC and then uninstall the Vista? Right. They barely know how to not delete all their files.

[GORDON]

If PC's WEREN'T coming pre-loaded with Vista, would more than 1% of PC users own it? It would need to be a lot cheaper, first of all.

Even I would probably have bought it by now if I could get the fully functional version for $100 or less.

But nah. They have the market share and can "persuade" manufacturers to preload. So who cares about reasonable pricing or innovative features over XP, they'll win no matter what.

[Vince]

Besides, for all the pissing and moaning I hear about Vista, it makes up about 20% of the Windows OS that hit the web today. Saw that stat a couple of weeks ago. This wasn't "units sold" or any of that. It was OS's actually being used browsing the internet.

I suspect within another year Vista will make up 60%.

That stat is absolute crap, and you know it.

Like most people are going to get a new PC and then uninstall the Vista? Right. They barely know how to not delete all their files.

Doesn't matter WHY it's at 20%. Just saying that the market share will force the software peeps to write for it.

So I'd say all the talk about "everyone is re-installing XP" is what's crap. Yes, may be. But Vista isn't going the way of Me

[Malcolm]

But Vista isn't going the way of Me

Cos Macroshaft is enforcing its will on the market.

[Leisher]

But Vista isn't going the way of Me

Cos Macroshaft is enforcing its will on the market.

I agree with Malcolm 100%.

ME was a nothing, they could afford that hit, but Microsoft has way too much invested in this product to let consumers say "no" to it.

Thus, we're being forced onto Vista.

I have a lot of Microsoft software running in my company. Most put there by me. However, I will not put Vista in anywhere. Not because of public perceptions, but because I've run it.

I bought a single Vista PC and out of the fucking box it had problems. I got error messages during the initial boot up. One that hasn't been resolved to this day despite a driver being available, which it attempts to download daily.

Fuck Vista.

Microsoft needs to learn from this mistake. They need to learn that they're creating software for businesses and consumers, not for themselves and not for any "special interests".

[GORDON]

Vista may contain a backdoor for the NSA if you encrypt your shit.

http://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2007/12/dual_ec_drbg_ad.html

And on a side note, Hi Vince!

[Vince]

Vista may contain a backdoor for the NSA if you encrypt your shit.

http://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2007/12/dual_ec_drbg_ad.html

And on a side note, Hi Vince!

It's not enabled by default, and my advice is to never enable it. Ever.

[GORDON]

Good thing I put that "IF" in there, huh...

[Malcolm]

Yeah well, fuck, lemme get this in quotes & all that proper phrasin' & shit, ...

It's good to know what ain't there what ostensibly, obscenely, utterly, totally, absolutely, fucked up & all is enabled, automatically, wow am i drunk, by default.