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I point you back to science and the CFL.
"Happy slaves are the worst enemies of freedom." - Marie Von Ebner
"It was always the women, and above all the young ones, who were the most bigoted adherents of the Party, the swallowers of slogans, the amateur spies..." - Orwell
"It was always the women, and above all the young ones, who were the most bigoted adherents of the Party, the swallowers of slogans, the amateur spies..." - Orwell
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So it seems like the 'college education' holds some value! It's like trying to get a job in tech, with no experience. But seriously, how many of those kids would go pro right from high school? 2%? 1%? The pros want them groomed via college. And that costs the schools a shit ton of money. And how many times to the schools make huge investments and now that the kid is perfect will really pay off for the school, he ends his college career early to enter the draft.
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Basketball: Not much lower than would go pro anyway after 1 year. Remember what college Lebron went to?
Football: Probably not a lot. More would go after 1-2 years, versus the required 3 today.
But somehow the schools keep afloat, subsidizing millions of dollars of spending on other sports from that kid's career, however brief.
Basketball and football make $$$. The other sports are basically sucking $$$ from them. If the kids got paid, those sports would pay the price.
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I have no idea where ANY player went to college, so that's a bad test. I can name MAYBE 10 pro sports player's colleges, and they'd all be Michigan players. And there's even a lot of players that I wonder "Did he go to Michigan?" "Nope. He didn't".
Alot of your tuition goes towards programs you don't participate in. When I was in school, they built a MASSIVE rec center. They started adding a mandatory fee for the rec center whether you used it or not. I didn't start using it till my last year or so looking for stringer basketball competition. (Side note. I was REALLY good at basketball given that I never played in school. I was always one of the first white kids picked.But somehow the schools keep afloat, subsidizing millions of dollars of spending on other sports from that kid's career, however brief.
Basketball and football make $$$. The other sports are basically sucking $$$ from them. If the kids got paid, those sports would pay the price.
)Point is, they do help support other programs, just like ever other student does.
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Lebron didn't go to college, because the one and done rule didn't exist. He went straight to the Pro. Same with Kobe Bryant.
They pay $500,000, you pay $125/semester. Scale matters.
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I hate it when you do this argument so much because it's so insanely one sided and ignores tons of facts.
-Science has said high school bodies are not ready for the NFL. (And honestly, the conversation should just stop there.)
-The NFL is truly a private business. They don't have to hire anyone. Ask Ray Rice or Kaep.
And Kevin Garnet and dozens of other players you've never heard of because they flamed out and now are out of the league, broke, and have no education to fall back on.
"Happy slaves are the worst enemies of freedom." - Marie Von Ebner
"It was always the women, and above all the young ones, who were the most bigoted adherents of the Party, the swallowers of slogans, the amateur spies..." - Orwell
"It was always the women, and above all the young ones, who were the most bigoted adherents of the Party, the swallowers of slogans, the amateur spies..." - Orwell
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Science has also said people shouldn't own guns, drink, have a ton of sex, eat eggs/meat, drive, and a billion other things -> But this one you agree a monopoly should be able to enshrine into "law".
Ask the lawsuit they settled about Kaep. They don't have unmitigated freedom.
Enlighten us, how good of an education is the average athlete getting in college?
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Science contradicts itself there because without guns would we even be here? Guns are nothing more than improved bows, which are nothing more than improved slings, and so on.
Duh
I'll fight you. Also science contradicts itself here. Routine dropping of loads is necessary to fight colon cancer in men. The orgasm is nature's pain reliever and mood balancer. Sex is super important for relationship health. And so on.
1. It's not a law.
2. I always root for alternatives to the NFL, it's why I pointed out the CFL, which is based in the 51st state.
3. Is it a monopoly when 32 different companies all agree that they don't want you to come work for them until your body is more developed? Should law firms just start hiring "lawyers" right out of high school?
Settled doesn't mean lost. There are tons of other players who could still play yet couldn't get NFL jobs, like AB, TO, Ocho Cinco, Jeff George, Jay Cutler, and so on.
Depends on the student. I do know that a person attending college has a 100% higher chance of learning valuable and marketable skills than someone who doesn't attend college.
"Freedom" apparently means forcing employers to hire individuals not yet physically or mentally skilled enough to do the job.
"Happy slaves are the worst enemies of freedom." - Marie Von Ebner
"It was always the women, and above all the young ones, who were the most bigoted adherents of the Party, the swallowers of slogans, the amateur spies..." - Orwell
"It was always the women, and above all the young ones, who were the most bigoted adherents of the Party, the swallowers of slogans, the amateur spies..." - Orwell
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Yes. But the NFL has anti-trust exemptions in laws. Those 32 different companies should each be able to recruit whoever they please.
Don't get me started of licensing laws.Should law firms just start hiring "lawyers" right out of high school?
And they got a lot of chances.
You overvalue college for someone who doesn't think college is worth that much.
That's up to each individual employer to decide.
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They do, but they have to adhere to rules made by their agreed upon council. Kind of like the federal government to states or the dairy council to dairy farmers.
Not getting you started, but what does licensing laws have to do with hiring potential lawyers right out of high school?
And so will the kids when their bodies are ready.
Society keeps telling me it's everything, so why can't I use it in my argument?
See my first response in this post. Also, back to science again for the physical part.
"Happy slaves are the worst enemies of freedom." - Marie Von Ebner
"It was always the women, and above all the young ones, who were the most bigoted adherents of the Party, the swallowers of slogans, the amateur spies..." - Orwell
"It was always the women, and above all the young ones, who were the most bigoted adherents of the Party, the swallowers of slogans, the amateur spies..." - Orwell
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But there's 2 groups making/shaping the rules. The owners, and the players. And, of course, existing players don't want more competition.
Hamilton became a lawyer by reading a book, and saying "I'm a lawyer." Good luck doing that today. Gotta pass your BAR exam. In order to take the bar, you have to have a JD. That JD has to come from an institution APPROVED by the bar association. To get to the institution approved by the bar association, you have to go to an undergraduate institution approved by ANOTHER association. And you probably have to take the LSAT exam to even get into law school.
People that already do a thing always want to limit the competition and make the thing they do more expensive.
Cuz you keep saying it's crap. That'd be like saying American politics are the best because of it's two party system.
The NFL isn't the employer, the team is.
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I'll start by continuing to point out that the science says high school kids shouldn't play in the NFL, and that alone is more than enough to say, "End of discussion." But just so your typing isn't wasted...
It's actually their representatives, and that does include doctors. But seriously, why can't the owners decide "We don't want to hire anyone under ___ years old?" Why would these private business owners not be allowed to have that option?
That is a crazy interesting topic, but yes, shouldn't be here.TheCatt wrote: Hamilton became a lawyer by reading a book, and saying "I'm a lawyer." Good luck doing that today. Gotta pass your BAR exam. In order to take the bar, you have to have a JD. That JD has to come from an institution APPROVED by the bar association. To get to the institution approved by the bar association, you have to go to an undergraduate institution approved by ANOTHER association. And you probably have to take the LSAT exam to even get into law school.
People that already do a thing always want to limit the competition and make the thing they do more expensive.
It is crap, but it's crap that society has deemed to have value. The Kardashians are complete crap too, yet for some reason society gave them value. Sometimes my opinion has all the logic and science behind it, yet it's still irrelevant.
Of course, but the teams gave the NFL the power to set the rules and routinely meet to approve said rules.
And with that bit of stupidity, the conversation is over.
"Happy slaves are the worst enemies of freedom." - Marie Von Ebner
"It was always the women, and above all the young ones, who were the most bigoted adherents of the Party, the swallowers of slogans, the amateur spies..." - Orwell
"It was always the women, and above all the young ones, who were the most bigoted adherents of the Party, the swallowers of slogans, the amateur spies..." - Orwell
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Meanwhile, the Pac-12 is trying to align with the B1G for a late starting season.
Uh, go fuck yourself. Nobody gives a shit about playing for a Rose Bowl and not for the CFP.
If Kevin Warren does this, I genuinely will not be surprised if some insane fan murders him.
Uh, go fuck yourself. Nobody gives a shit about playing for a Rose Bowl and not for the CFP.
If Kevin Warren does this, I genuinely will not be surprised if some insane fan murders him.
"Happy slaves are the worst enemies of freedom." - Marie Von Ebner
"It was always the women, and above all the young ones, who were the most bigoted adherents of the Party, the swallowers of slogans, the amateur spies..." - Orwell
"It was always the women, and above all the young ones, who were the most bigoted adherents of the Party, the swallowers of slogans, the amateur spies..." - Orwell
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The filter might be gone, but we know what that means.
You've already ignored the science, why are you bringing it up now as if it's important?
"Happy slaves are the worst enemies of freedom." - Marie Von Ebner
"It was always the women, and above all the young ones, who were the most bigoted adherents of the Party, the swallowers of slogans, the amateur spies..." - Orwell
"It was always the women, and above all the young ones, who were the most bigoted adherents of the Party, the swallowers of slogans, the amateur spies..." - Orwell
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"Happy slaves are the worst enemies of freedom." - Marie Von Ebner
"It was always the women, and above all the young ones, who were the most bigoted adherents of the Party, the swallowers of slogans, the amateur spies..." - Orwell
"It was always the women, and above all the young ones, who were the most bigoted adherents of the Party, the swallowers of slogans, the amateur spies..." - Orwell