Batman Vs Superman
GORDON wrote:Other movie sites are rating it better than 7/10, though.
We've been over how the ballot box is stuffed.
Here's the IMDB average rating:
7.3/10 from 200,577 users
Metacritic: 44/100
A grand total of two of them rated it 70 or higher.
I got $100 that says more than a few of those 200K users are fake WB accounts. Every website that allows unrestricted, easily duped voting has it going 70-80%. The ones that don't are putting it beneath 50%. Hell, here's a favourable review from RT:
Unfortunately, director Zach Snyder's scattershot, overly complicated and hugely drawn-out exposition depletes the story of all its fun and power, reducing his leads to impotent cranks.
I repeat: that's one of the more positive reviews.
RT audience score: 71%
RT critic score: 29%
And don't give me the bullshit that critics don't like superhero movies. Deadpool, Guardians of the Galaxy, and Ant-Man didn't get this much hate. Then again, those were movies made by people without pointy sticks permanently lodged in their asses.
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Diogenes of Sinope: "It is not that I am mad, it is only that my head is different from yours."
Arnold Judas Rimmer, BSC, SSC: "Better dead than smeg."
Arnold Judas Rimmer, BSC, SSC: "Better dead than smeg."
He's not wrong though. I posted a link earlier in thread showing that IMDB's ratings were being skewed intentionally.
"Happy slaves are the worst enemies of freedom." - Marie Von Ebner
"It was always the women, and above all the young ones, who were the most bigoted adherents of the Party, the swallowers of slogans, the amateur spies..." - Orwell
"It was always the women, and above all the young ones, who were the most bigoted adherents of the Party, the swallowers of slogans, the amateur spies..." - Orwell
GORDON wrote:But what none of you are considering is that go fuck yourselves.
Fine. Let's put this in perspective:
1) ID4 is pulling approximately the same audience rating as Affleck v. Cavill: Dawn of We're Shoving Our Cinematic Universe Down Your Throat Like It Or Not.
2) ID4 was a movie where Randy Quaid played an alcoholic conspiracy nut/abductee. The action reaches a zenith when he fulfills his quest to avenge his asshole's virginity at the hands of an alien probe (that might be what the real Randy's doing now, I haven't checked). In BvS, the action is at a high point when O'Battion is avenging his parents' deaths.
3) In the critics category, ID4 is more than doubling a flick that analysts say "must make a billion." That means they're sympathizing more with Randy and his asshole than Ben and his dead mom and dad or anything else in BvS.
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Diogenes of Sinope: "It is not that I am mad, it is only that my head is different from yours."
Arnold Judas Rimmer, BSC, SSC: "Better dead than smeg."
Arnold Judas Rimmer, BSC, SSC: "Better dead than smeg."
Someone PayPal me $10 and I might. I think I can piece enough together from previews and this board to know that I'm not wasting cash on it.GORDON wrote:Have you seen this movie yet?
Diogenes of Sinope: "It is not that I am mad, it is only that my head is different from yours."
Arnold Judas Rimmer, BSC, SSC: "Better dead than smeg."
Arnold Judas Rimmer, BSC, SSC: "Better dead than smeg."
Let me know when there's enough substance and story to pay to see.GORDON wrote:Cool. Let me know when you can discuss a movie you've actually seen, then.
Diogenes of Sinope: "It is not that I am mad, it is only that my head is different from yours."
Arnold Judas Rimmer, BSC, SSC: "Better dead than smeg."
Arnold Judas Rimmer, BSC, SSC: "Better dead than smeg."
Heading into the weekend, it appeared Batman v Superman was looking at a drop anywhere from 58-68% and it ended up settling in on the wrong side of those expectations. The film's estimated $52.3 million signifies a 68.4% drop (62.1% if you take into consideration its $27.7 million in Thursday previews last week). This is the fifth largest drop of all-time for a film opening over $100 million, topped only by Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows - Part 2's 72% drop and a trio of Twilight films dropping 69-70%.
In fact, the film's second weekend plummet is on par with last year's Fantastic Four, which dropped 68.2% in its second weekend...
Damn, waiting for this thing to come out for free seems a better deal every day.
Diogenes of Sinope: "It is not that I am mad, it is only that my head is different from yours."
Arnold Judas Rimmer, BSC, SSC: "Better dead than smeg."
Arnold Judas Rimmer, BSC, SSC: "Better dead than smeg."
PA review:
GORDON edit - I'm deleting this photo because I don't want to get carpel tunnel moving the mouse left to right a million times trying to read Leisher's big post.
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GORDON edit - I'm deleting this photo because I don't want to get carpel tunnel moving the mouse left to right a million times trying to read Leisher's big post.
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Diogenes of Sinope: "It is not that I am mad, it is only that my head is different from yours."
Arnold Judas Rimmer, BSC, SSC: "Better dead than smeg."
Arnold Judas Rimmer, BSC, SSC: "Better dead than smeg."
If you went to McDonald's and ordered a Big Mac, what would you expect to receive?
"Two all beef patties, special sauce, lettuce, cheese, pickles, onions, on a sesame seed bun."
But what if you ordered that Big Mac and didn't receive the cheese or special sauce? Would you be satisfied? Wouldn't you feel cheated? Is the sandwich still a Big Mac if it's missing ingredients?
That's the problem with BvS and the problem with DC movies in general. They simply don't stay true to the source material.
Over at Marvel the filmmakers are making movies based on existing characters and they're changing almost nothing. The characters seem to go from page to film without a lot lost in translation. Look at Iron Man. Show me the differences between the comic and film versions. You can't. From the look to the attitude to the mannerisms to the way he talks, it's all the same. That's due to the team making the movies. From the producers to the actor to the special effects guys, they're all on the same page.
BvS is an entertaining film. I don't regret seeing it in the theaters. However, it's not the BvS film that should have been made in 2016. It's not a comic book movie that should have been made in a world where Marvel makes movies. It certainly did NOT work as a film featuring Batman or Superman.
Don't blame the actors either. I think Henry Cavill and Ben Affleck do a perfectly good job as Superman and Batman. Say what you want about Affleck, but his Bruce Wayne is the best we've ever seen. Snyder and the screenwriters deserve some of the credit for that as well. Also, the entire supporting cast was great with a few exceptions.
I'm not yet sold on Gal Gadot as Wonder Woman. She was awesome in the movie until she put on her costume. All the other heroes' appearances were very, very underwhelming.
Oh, and Jesse Eisenberg as Alexander Luthor (an important distinction from Lex...I believe) was not good. I don't blame Jesse as I think he did his best, but the character was terrible. Luthor was just inconsistent throughout and his character made zero sense. Was he insane? Was he brilliant? Horribly written.
The issues also isn't the spectacle as this film delivers that and then some. The movie feels really, really big.
The issue starts at the director and goes all the way up to the folks running WB and DC.
I just don't understand how the folks at WB, who are successful filmmakers, can look at Marvel films and then so badly flub the execution of their own comic properties. People aren't going to show up just because it's a superhero movie. Ask Fox about the Fantastic Four.
I don't understand how a director who made his name, with what was basically a shot for shot remake of a comic book, can forget the formula that got him to the dance.
NOTE: Just found an interesting tidbit. At 5:55 of this podcast Snyder reveals he doesn't believe superheroes have any credibility if they perform dialogue while wearing their suits.
We've heard murmurs that WB executives think Snyder is the wrong guy to helm their Justice League film, and I couldn't agree more. You can't put superhero movies in the hands of someone that doesn't respect superheroes. I mean, that's a no brainer.
It's probably not a smart idea to put a guy in charge of your movie who doesn't respect your source material. Batman DOESN'T kill. Superman always tries to minimize damage and protect civilians. These are concepts Snyder either didn't know about or didn't give a fuck about. Many will ask what the big deal is, but go change a core moral value about your favorite character in any existing property and see how it affects everything. Robin gets beat to death with a crowbar in the books because Batman doesn't kill.
Snyder either doesn't know, doesn't understand, or doesn't care.
And aside from that criticism, the pacing of the film is complete shit. Just a horribly slow movie. No reason this had to be a 2 hour and 40 minute affair either. Oh, and those cutaways. Was it me or were some of them out of order?
Anyway, is this worth your time? The spectacle is good to see in a theater, but honestly, the action isn't that great. I would tell you to wait to rent it or see it on your favorite streaming service.
Even if this reaches $1 billion, which we've been told "it has to reach to be considered successful", I can't see how WB/DC can be happy with this movie. Your core audience is shitting all over it and the casual audience isn't reacting positively either.
"Two all beef patties, special sauce, lettuce, cheese, pickles, onions, on a sesame seed bun."
But what if you ordered that Big Mac and didn't receive the cheese or special sauce? Would you be satisfied? Wouldn't you feel cheated? Is the sandwich still a Big Mac if it's missing ingredients?
That's the problem with BvS and the problem with DC movies in general. They simply don't stay true to the source material.
Over at Marvel the filmmakers are making movies based on existing characters and they're changing almost nothing. The characters seem to go from page to film without a lot lost in translation. Look at Iron Man. Show me the differences between the comic and film versions. You can't. From the look to the attitude to the mannerisms to the way he talks, it's all the same. That's due to the team making the movies. From the producers to the actor to the special effects guys, they're all on the same page.
BvS is an entertaining film. I don't regret seeing it in the theaters. However, it's not the BvS film that should have been made in 2016. It's not a comic book movie that should have been made in a world where Marvel makes movies. It certainly did NOT work as a film featuring Batman or Superman.
Don't blame the actors either. I think Henry Cavill and Ben Affleck do a perfectly good job as Superman and Batman. Say what you want about Affleck, but his Bruce Wayne is the best we've ever seen. Snyder and the screenwriters deserve some of the credit for that as well. Also, the entire supporting cast was great with a few exceptions.
I'm not yet sold on Gal Gadot as Wonder Woman. She was awesome in the movie until she put on her costume. All the other heroes' appearances were very, very underwhelming.
Oh, and Jesse Eisenberg as Alexander Luthor (an important distinction from Lex...I believe) was not good. I don't blame Jesse as I think he did his best, but the character was terrible. Luthor was just inconsistent throughout and his character made zero sense. Was he insane? Was he brilliant? Horribly written.
The issues also isn't the spectacle as this film delivers that and then some. The movie feels really, really big.
The issue starts at the director and goes all the way up to the folks running WB and DC.
I just don't understand how the folks at WB, who are successful filmmakers, can look at Marvel films and then so badly flub the execution of their own comic properties. People aren't going to show up just because it's a superhero movie. Ask Fox about the Fantastic Four.
I don't understand how a director who made his name, with what was basically a shot for shot remake of a comic book, can forget the formula that got him to the dance.
NOTE: Just found an interesting tidbit. At 5:55 of this podcast Snyder reveals he doesn't believe superheroes have any credibility if they perform dialogue while wearing their suits.
We've heard murmurs that WB executives think Snyder is the wrong guy to helm their Justice League film, and I couldn't agree more. You can't put superhero movies in the hands of someone that doesn't respect superheroes. I mean, that's a no brainer.
It's probably not a smart idea to put a guy in charge of your movie who doesn't respect your source material. Batman DOESN'T kill. Superman always tries to minimize damage and protect civilians. These are concepts Snyder either didn't know about or didn't give a fuck about. Many will ask what the big deal is, but go change a core moral value about your favorite character in any existing property and see how it affects everything. Robin gets beat to death with a crowbar in the books because Batman doesn't kill.
Snyder either doesn't know, doesn't understand, or doesn't care.
And aside from that criticism, the pacing of the film is complete shit. Just a horribly slow movie. No reason this had to be a 2 hour and 40 minute affair either. Oh, and those cutaways. Was it me or were some of them out of order?
Anyway, is this worth your time? The spectacle is good to see in a theater, but honestly, the action isn't that great. I would tell you to wait to rent it or see it on your favorite streaming service.
Even if this reaches $1 billion, which we've been told "it has to reach to be considered successful", I can't see how WB/DC can be happy with this movie. Your core audience is shitting all over it and the casual audience isn't reacting positively either.
"Happy slaves are the worst enemies of freedom." - Marie Von Ebner
"It was always the women, and above all the young ones, who were the most bigoted adherents of the Party, the swallowers of slogans, the amateur spies..." - Orwell
"It was always the women, and above all the young ones, who were the most bigoted adherents of the Party, the swallowers of slogans, the amateur spies..." - Orwell
Batman DOESN'T kill.
Bullshit. Granted it was retconned until 20 issues later.
Robin gets beat to death with a crowbar in the books because Batman doesn't kill.
Also blown up. But only because enough fans called a 900 number.
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Diogenes of Sinope: "It is not that I am mad, it is only that my head is different from yours."
Arnold Judas Rimmer, BSC, SSC: "Better dead than smeg."
Arnold Judas Rimmer, BSC, SSC: "Better dead than smeg."
That article doesn't mention Batman killing anyone.Malcolm wrote:Bullshit. Granted it was retconned until 20 issues later.Batman DOESN'T kill.
Also blown up. But only because enough fans called a 900 number.Robin gets beat to death with a crowbar in the books because Batman doesn't kill.
"Happy slaves are the worst enemies of freedom." - Marie Von Ebner
"It was always the women, and above all the young ones, who were the most bigoted adherents of the Party, the swallowers of slogans, the amateur spies..." - Orwell
"It was always the women, and above all the young ones, who were the most bigoted adherents of the Party, the swallowers of slogans, the amateur spies..." - Orwell
But it being retconned eliminates it. Plus, locking someone away isn't a death sentence. The person just becomes Schrodinger's cat.
Batman's mythos is he doesn't kill. Go through any of his books and that mantra is repeated again and again.
Something Nolan understood and addressed. Too bad Snyder didn't.
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Batman's mythos is he doesn't kill. Go through any of his books and that mantra is repeated again and again.
Something Nolan understood and addressed. Too bad Snyder didn't.
Edited By Leisher on 1459870299
"Happy slaves are the worst enemies of freedom." - Marie Von Ebner
"It was always the women, and above all the young ones, who were the most bigoted adherents of the Party, the swallowers of slogans, the amateur spies..." - Orwell
"It was always the women, and above all the young ones, who were the most bigoted adherents of the Party, the swallowers of slogans, the amateur spies..." - Orwell