Why EQ & WoW suck

Malcolm · Post by **Malcolm** » Tue Jan 31, 2006 12:27 pm

So sayeth Lum.

This is the problem w\ most MMOGs. You hit that upper level cap & then...what? I can see Urban Dead suffering from this problem.

Post by **TheCatt** » Tue Jan 31, 2006 12:33 pm

Yeah, Urban Dead is definitely a limited game. It was design to be limited, sort of a one-off "good idea" that will entertain people for a while.

Then a new one will show up, entertain people for a while...

Then... etc etc

Post by **thibodeaux** » Tue Jan 31, 2006 1:39 pm

Why the hell don't people understand the difference between "cue" and "queue?" Seems like you'd prefer to type the latter, anyway.

Post by **GORDON** » Tue Jan 31, 2006 1:44 pm

Lum made that mistake?

Post by **TheCatt** » Tue Jan 31, 2006 2:26 pm

'Cue is tasty. People queue to get 'cue.

Post by **Cakedaddy** » Tue Jan 31, 2006 2:27 pm

That's the first Lum article I've ever read. Well, read most of anyway. And it has confirmed my assumption.

I don't give a shit what Lum has to say. He's an idiot.

I had heard second hand about alot of his theories about things and they were just crazy to me. I remember when him and his wife were trying to convince people that PKing in UO was as bad a rape in real life. How the hell do you equate the two?

Post by **TPRJones** » Tue Jan 31, 2006 3:23 pm

Huh? You must be mistaken about the PK thing. Lum was a bit of a PK'er himself, IIRC.

While I do disagree with him quite often, Lum's a pretty bright guy on the whole.

Post by **Leisher** » Tue Jan 31, 2006 3:44 pm

I'll admit it.

I REALLY miss the early days of UO.

Best designed MMO ever.

I think playing EVE has really helped me appreciate UO that much more.

Post by **Vince** » Tue Jan 31, 2006 4:54 pm

In fact, I think it’s pretty cool that someone who writes for a newspaper as esteemed as the New York Times shares a common interest with us as World of Warcraft players.

NY Times? Esteemed? There goes someone's credibility...

Post by **TheCatt** » Tue Jan 31, 2006 5:34 pm

I'll admit it.

I REALLY miss the early days of UO.

Best designed MMO ever.

I think playing EVE has really helped me appreciate UO that much more.

So... what made it so good again?

Post by **GORDON** » Tue Jan 31, 2006 5:53 pm

That's the first Lum article I've ever read. Well, read most of anyway. And it has confirmed my assumption.

I don't give a shit what Lum has to say. He's an idiot.

I had heard second hand about alot of his theories about things and they were just crazy to me. I remember when him and his wife were trying to convince people that PKing in UO was as bad a rape in real life. How the hell do you equate the two?

That conversation played out on Lum's very famous (within the community) forums, but I'm pretty sure it wasn't Lum himself saying it.

In fact, I think I know who first introduced the concept, but I don't like naming names.

Malcolm · Post by **Malcolm** » Tue Jan 31, 2006 8:50 pm

In fact, I think I know who first introduced the concept, but I don't like naming names.

I wanna say I remember w\ 100% accuracy, but I don't. I think that you & I got the same name in mind, though.

Post by **TPRJones** » Tue Jan 31, 2006 8:59 pm

Captain Ebolter?

Post by **thibodeaux** » Tue Jan 31, 2006 10:13 pm

Dang...I remember this discussion, but I can't remember who started it.

Post by **GORDON** » Tue Jan 31, 2006 10:43 pm

I don't like naming names.

But it was a chick, IIRC.

Post by **Cakedaddy** » Tue Jan 31, 2006 11:19 pm

I thought it was Lum's wife. When challenged with the fact that people knew women who had been raped and they assure you they aren't the same. Lum's wife's reply was such that she had been raped too, and could say that it WAS the same.

Post by **thibodeaux** » Wed Feb 01, 2006 9:21 am

It wasn't Myschyf or Mystere or whatever her name was, was it?

Post by **TheCatt** » Wed Feb 01, 2006 10:54 am

I thought it was Lum's wife. When challenged with the fact that people knew women who had been raped and they assure you they aren't the same. Lum's wife's reply was such that she had been raped too, and could say that it WAS the same.

Uh, did people then call her crazy?

Post by **GORDON** » Wed Feb 01, 2006 11:07 am

It wasn't Myschyf or Mystere or whatever her name was, was it?

That was my thought.

And there, I didn't name names.

Post by **Leisher** » Wed Feb 01, 2006 1:38 pm

So... what made it so good again?

It's not a matter of what made it good again, so much as remembering how UO was so much deeper and more accessible than the other games out now.

Look at a lot of the MMO games that have been made since UO and you'll find pretty graphics and not much depth.

UO had everything any current MMO offers, only it did it better AND even had more.

The UO world was one of true freedom. It didn't have the limited freedoms that the other MMOs have. It does now, but in the beginning it didn't and the world was real and immersive because of it.