Resevoir Dogs - Who's the rat?

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Resevoir Dogs - Who's the rat?

Mr. Orange
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Mr. Pink
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20%
No one
2
40%
Someone else
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Everytime I watch "Resevoir Dogs," I get more convinced that Mr. Pink was the one that sold them out to the cops. Not hearing anyone else voicing this opinion, I thought maybe I was just insane. But one day on the once a rant site now BBS themorlocks.com, there was a poll as to who screwed the crooks over. That was the first time I saw others support the Mr. Pink theory.

Tonight, my buddy watches the flick for the first time & thinks Mr. Orange set them up. I proceed to explain some of my theory & now he's almost convinced it was Mr. Pink. Keep in mind that he saw "Frenzy" last night, so "reasonable doubt" has taken on a whole new meaning for him.

So I present it to the DTMan Army : Who was the rat? Do you take the obvious way out & say Mr. Orange? Are you a Mr. Pink theorist? Or are you some other weird fucked-up view?
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................ at the end, didn't one of them admit to being a cop?
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................ at the end, didn't one of them admit to being a cop?
Mr. Orange admits it. But it seems odd that after having Larry being party to blowing away his old buddies that he'd admit to being a cop, but not admit to setting them up.
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I need to pull out my DVD and watch it again.
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Isn't Mr Pink the only one that gets out alive? I hear shouting and whatnot once he leaves the building, but I don't know if he actually got caught. It does go to support the theory. Of course, one could also theorize that by admitting he was a cop, Mr Orange was implying that he set them up and all the unfortunate events of the movie were related to him setting them up. Of course, taking one in the gut and shooting innocent people does make one wonder...
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I'm telling you, it's got to be Mr. Pink.
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It's no one.
It's not me, it's someone else.
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It was Mr. Orange. That was the whole point of his flashback.

But, I do want to hear your conspiracy theory about Mr. Pink.
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It was Mr. Orange. That was the whole point of his flashback.

But, I do want to hear your conspiracy theory about Mr. Pink.
After I get my requisite busywork done for my worthless calculator of a class, I'll try to explain. One day, I'm just gonna get some paper, a pen, & watch that flick so I can list all the evidence.
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It was Mr. Orange. That was the whole point of his flashback.

But, I do want to hear your conspiracy theory about Mr. Pink.
After I get my requisite busywork done for my worthless calculator of a class, I'll try to explain. One day, I'm just gonna get some paper, a pen, & watch that flick so I can list all the evidence.
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It's no one.
Alright. Then why no one?
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Uh... just to fuck with you cuz it's been like a decade since I saw it?
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Post by Paul »

It's been awhile since I've seen it.

I still say it's Mr. Orange.
Wasn't there yelling and shots at the end, the (unseen) death of Mr. Pink. If he was a cop or informant, he just needed to surrender.

The cops setup the crooks. The cops were waiting.
One of the waiting cops was kidnapped, and knew that Mr. Orange was a cop.
Mr. Orange admits to being a cop.
Mr. Orange kills Mr. Black in an attempt to save the cop.

If anyone's a traitor, it's whoever recommended Mr. Orange for the job.

And I suppose I've already told you guys my Reservoir Dogs set story?




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Wasn't there yelling and shots at the end, the (unseen) death of Mr. Pink.
You see Mr. Pink exit the building someway. I don't recall hearing him get shot or caught, but then again, I can't really be sure.
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GODDAMNIT : after some research, add'l material added at the bottom of the post

Alright, definitely after the semester's over, I'll get point-by-point the case against Mr. Pink. But off the top of my head, here's a list of shit I think incriminates Mr. Pink, either by logic or literary devices :

Why Mr. Pink did it :

1) Mr. Pink is the first one that mentions that possibility of a rat. In fact, everytime someone brings up that scenario, Mr. Pink is present.

2) We get backstories on the most important crooks : Mr. White, Mr. Blonde, Mr. Orange. Mr. Pink is curiously left out. We got no idea about him. Maybe it got killed on the editing room floor, who knows?

3) After the heist goes bad, there's three groups :

(a) Mr. Blonde, Mr. Blue
(b) Mr. Brown, Mr. White, Mr. Orange
© Mr. Pink (who somehow miraculously gets away w\ the loot)

It seems a near impossibility that Mr. Blonde was out to set everyone up, so I (like Mr. Pink) believe his story. & if he wanted to, he would've insisted on going to get the stones w\ Mr. White & Nice Guy Eddie. We see how (b) ends up. This leaves Mr. Pink by himself w\ no one to corroborate his story. Mr. Blue supposedly dies. Mr. Brown dies. Mr. Orange gets shot (though not by the cops). I'm having a hard time believing Mr. Pink got away w\ the loot by himself w\o having some knowledge of what the cops were doing.

4) We're made to hate Mr. Pink from the beginning of the film. He refuses to tip, he's the first one to pull a gun on his comrade, he's the first one to start dissent (Mr. White against Mr. Blonde) in the group. He's even the first one to bitch about his name, yet he claims to be a professional. He sounds like everyone's whiny kid brother.

5) In the final scene, Mr. White, Joe, & Nice Guy Eddie all have guns drawn.

Joe aims at Mr. Orange (who is unarmed & bleeding to death)
Mr. White aims at Joe.
Nice Guy Eddie aims at Mr. White.

Note, I've actually slow-mo'd the film to view the sequence of shots & I think I'm right.

Joe shoots Mr. Orange. Nice Guy Eddie jumps the gun (no pun intended) & shoots Mr. White. Mr. White shoots Joe. The last two may be reversed, I'm not 100% sure. But ALL THREE drop to the ground. Who the fuck shot Nice Guy Eddie? Couldn't've been Mr. Orange, he had no gun in his hand & had just emptied his clip into Mr. Blonde a bit before. Mr. White has only one gun & fires exactly once. He gets Joe. The only possible remaining logical explanation is the Mr. Pink blows away Nice Guy Eddie from under the stairs in the shadows.

6) It just so happens Mr. Pink emerges w\ suitcase in hand & exits the warehouse after the above takes place. Whether or not he makes it is a subject of debate. But if I were a crook in my safehouse & I'd make DAMN SURE I knew where the backdoor was. & if cops came calling after my buddies had killed each other, I'd go out the BACK way & not the front unless I knew the cops wouldn't shoot me or I knew about a hole in their defenses. Either way, Mr. Pink would've known something.

7) Why do the cops seem to run in right as Mr. Pink leaves? If they were going to come in, you'd think the gunshots would've been enough. What prompted the raid? Were they even watching the place or just waiting for a signal from someone?

This leaves a couple questions, though :

1) If he got the stones, why didn't he just take off to begin w\?

I think Mr. Pink knew they'd hunt him down unless they thought he was already dead. Or, since the cops really wanted Joe, perhaps Mr. Pink was the plant & he had to wait till Joe showed up to make his move. This would explain his apparent shooting of Nice Guy Eddie.

2) Why is he so insistent about not taking Mr. Orange to the hospital?

If he was legit, this is easy to understand. & if he was out just to get the stones, why didn't he just off Mr. White & Mr. Orange & wait for the rest of the folks to get there then deal w\ them as he saw fit? He could've made up any story about what happened. But if he was planted by the cops, he'd do his damndest to fuck w\ everyone & delay shit & stick around as long as possible.

I've also got a few things that would seem to exonerate Mr. Orange, but I can save those for another post. Hell, I could write a thesis on this shit.

ADD'L SHIT :

from wikipedia :

Apparently, Joe shoots Mr. Orange, Mr. White shoots Joe, Nice Guy Eddie shoots Mr. White, then Mr. White angles his gun at Nice Guy Eddie & shoot him. Tarentino says that some blood quibs didn't go off quite properly & thus you can't really tell where Nice Guy Eddie was supposed to get shot from.

According to Tarentino, Mr. Pink gets into a brief firefight w\ the cops, gets wounded, & then arrested.

The diamonds were originally supposed to be the contents of the case in "Pulp Fiction."

Well, shit. That was a half-decent theory I'd going there.




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Malcolm, I think you need to see it again, and this time, don't be drunk or stoned.
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Post by Malcolm »

Malcolm, I think you need to see it again, and this time, don't be drunk or stoned.

I was completely clean & sobre last time I saw it. I still thought the Mr. Pink theory held water.

Damn, I'm kinda pissed now.




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