Posted: Sun Oct 09, 2005 9:10 pm
Life was perfect when everyone was Mormon and no one ever had sex or was below average.
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And you'll have Rome.Have your stigma... I'll take my crime-ridden sex-filled societies.
Actually, I'd disagree. The clock's going back for the "stay at home mom" (the ones that bother to marry the daddy, anyway). Fewer and fewer kids are going into daycare among 2 parent homes as compared to 15 to 20 years ago.The thing Card doesn't seem to realize is you can't get back there from here. He's talking about a fundamental shift in societal norms. All the crotchety "remember when" essays in the world won't turn back that clock. The only way to put the stigma back into society is for the vast majority of people to agree with him (which they don't) and to have the individuals targeted by that stigma care what other people think (which they don't).
What exactly is he hoping to accomplish here, besides waling and moaning?
Care to share the source of these "stats"?Actually, I'd disagree. The clock's going back for the "stay at home mom" (the ones that bother to marry the daddy, anyway). Fewer and fewer kids are going into daycare among 2 parent homes as compared to 15 to 20 years ago.The thing Card doesn't seem to realize is you can't get back there from here. He's talking about a fundamental shift in societal norms. All the crotchety "remember when" essays in the world won't turn back that clock. The only way to put the stigma back into society is for the vast majority of people to agree with him (which they don't) and to have the individuals targeted by that stigma care what other people think (which they don't).
What exactly is he hoping to accomplish here, besides waling and moaning?
But I'll agree that it usually doesn't come until after the collapse.
The thing Card doesn't seem to realize is you can't get back there from here. He's talking about a fundamental shift in societal norms. All the crotchety "remember when" essays in the world won't turn back that clock. The only way to put the stigma back into society is for the vast majority of people to agree with him (which they don't) and to have the individuals targeted by that stigma care what other people think (which they don't).
What exactly is he hoping to accomplish here, besides waling and moaning?
Actually, I'd disagree. The clock's going back for the "stay at home mom" (the ones that bother to marry the daddy, anyway). Fewer and fewer kids are going into daycare among 2 parent homes as compared to 15 to 20 years ago.
But I'll agree that it usually doesn't come until after the collapse.
Care to share the source of these "stats"?
This "collapse" is needed in order to wake people up to the problem.
People like me and Card bitching about it... well, I like to think I postpone the collapse by 5 minutes, or so.
Rush Limbaugh talked a lot about the study when it came out.
Maybe I forgot the *sarcasm* tag.And you'll have Rome.Have your stigma... I'll take my crime-ridden sex-filled societies.
Or an AIDs epidemic like in Africa.
Sorry, but "rights" don't produce an orderly society. Except maybe the right of freedom of association, which is... stigma.
Most of that still sounds better than listening to another essay from Card.And you'll have Rome.Have your stigma... I'll take my crime-ridden sex-filled societies.
Or an AIDs epidemic like in Africa.
Sorry, but "rights" don't produce an orderly society. Except maybe the right of freedom of association, which is... stigma.