7:48 am: Most antibody tests will ‘give a very high false positive rate’
Serology tests, which can detect the presence of coronavirus antibodies and identify whether someone has already been exposed to Covid-19, have a “very high false positive rate,” former Food and Drug Administration Commissioner Scott Gottlieb told CNBC.
Earlier this week, University of Southern California professor Neeraj Sood, who led a large antibody study in Los Angeles county, claimed the tests he used were very accurate. However, Gottlieb was cautious about the antibody tests.
“They shouldn’t be using these tests to make individual decisions for individual patients,” Gottlieb said. “They’re good for population-level studies and they’re good maybe in certain professions where there’s a very high exposure to coronavirus, but for the general population an antibody test probably isn’t that helpful.” —Will Feuer
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I'd like to believe these serology tests that the virus is more widespread than believed, but still need caution.
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Still seems very questionable.
First, they were unable to protect their vulnerable population, so this turned into a "if they die, they die" strategy. And honestly, this is the real minefield politically and legally. Can't imagine the people who lost loved ones are thrilled with their government's strategy. If the U.S. went this route there would be multiple class action lawsuits and probably another impeachment trial.
Second, it doesn't seem to have spread yet to its less populated areas. It will.
Third, the herd immunity still needs to be proven. Particularly since people who have had the virus can get it again, meaning they didn't build up an immunity.
Fourth, Sweden didn't do nothing:
Finally, now that it's been reported that some of the tests can give false negatives, does Sweden really know their own numbers? Plus, you can unfortunately also not discount the possibility that numbers are being intentionally fudged.Sweden’s government has advocated working from home if at all possible and to avoid non-essential travel and social contact with the elderly. Meanwhile, restaurants, bars, cafés and nightclubs have been offering seated table service only and gatherings of more than 50 people have been banned. Yet schools for under 16-year-olds have remained open and life has generally carried on as before just at a quieter pace.
Yep. All signs seem to point to the Wuhan lab studying the virus, which is a recorded fact, and it escaped from there.
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Which I find absurd. We clearly don't protect everyone every day from everything.
Eventually. Once you're outside of the cities, it gets sparse.
Sure, and I'm not say we go back to normal, but I am saying open up a little bit now that we're more prepared.
No one knows.
Yes, I guess this is in the middle. It was natural, but was being studied in the lab. I wouldn't quite say "recorded fact" but seems plausible/likely.
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Completely absurd, but there are many, many people who absolutely believe the government is there to protect us from everything.
And that's where it will linger until it returns to the cities...
Don't get me wrong, I'm onboard with opening up what we can. I just don't think we rush it, and we definitely need to put rules into place:
-If folks can work from home, ask them to continue doing so.
-Keep schools closed and plan distance learning for next year.
-Ask folks to continue limiting travel and errand running as much as possible, but let them live their lives.
-Ask folks to maintain social distancing where they can.
-Ask folks to wear masks.
And whatever else. I'd be interested to see if people are more willing to lockdown/wear masks/social distance/etc. if they're not forced to...
Re-read what I typed. The "recorded fact" part was just about them studying it in the Wuhan lab.
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C-19 causing strokes in healthy adults.
So if it doesn't kill you it still permanently damages your heart, lungs, and brain. Why worry?
"We're in the second inning of the pandemic."
I can't tell if this is just jokes or serious.
The mayor of Vegas wants everything open, but has no plan for how to keep people safe.
It's a long interview, but it's very interesting to watch and frustrating.
Look, she's not entirely wrong. She has legit points about how long this will go on and how we have to open things up. However, she is washing her hands of all responsibility. That's ridiculous. You can't have it both ways. Good leaders make hard decisions and deal with the fallout. She may not be involved in actually planning out safety, but she needs to be the person who demands safety.
So if it doesn't kill you it still permanently damages your heart, lungs, and brain. Why worry?
"We're in the second inning of the pandemic."
I can't tell if this is just jokes or serious.
The mayor of Vegas wants everything open, but has no plan for how to keep people safe.
It's a long interview, but it's very interesting to watch and frustrating.
Look, she's not entirely wrong. She has legit points about how long this will go on and how we have to open things up. However, she is washing her hands of all responsibility. That's ridiculous. You can't have it both ways. Good leaders make hard decisions and deal with the fallout. She may not be involved in actually planning out safety, but she needs to be the person who demands safety.
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"It was always the women, and above all the young ones, who were the most bigoted adherents of the Party, the swallowers of slogans, the amateur spies..." - Orwell
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Booooo.
I can't either. But... I guess as long as you're clothed, it's mostly OK?
She's just following Trump's lead...
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1 - YesLeisher wrote:
-If folks can work from home, ask them to continue doing so.
-Keep schools closed and plan distance learning for next year.
-Ask folks to continue limiting travel and errand running as much as possible, but let them live their lives.
-Ask folks to maintain social distancing where they can.
-Ask folks to wear masks.
2 - Yes for this school year, TBD next school year.
3 - Yes.
4 - Yes
5 - Yes.
So, I guess... yes. My wife goes to a private personal trainer. 3 trainers in a single gym no more then 3 clients at a time (1 per trainer). Privately owned, etc. No more than 6 people in what must be at least 500 sq ft. Sessions could be spaced out to wipe down equipment, etc. They appealed to stay open but were denied.
I'd think small businesses like that could stay open.
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I've seen stuff online about movie theaters converting to drive-ins, to make money. Meanwhile, my awesome local drive-in movie theater is shut down and asking for gofundme money to stay afloat.
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I remember an episode of The West Wing where one of the characters was discussing the moment they knew Martin Sheen's character was a different type of politician. He explained how Sheen admitted fault during a town hall to a voter. He explained that he indeed voted against the voter's wishes and then explained why. I thought to myself, "And this is why this is fiction. No politician would ever accept responsibility for something."
Agree completely. If a business can show that they are keeping things safe, distanced, and sanitized, let them open ASAP.TheCatt wrote: So, I guess... yes. My wife goes to a private personal trainer. 3 trainers in a single gym no more then 3 clients at a time (1 per trainer). Privately owned, etc. No more than 6 people in what must be at least 500 sq ft. Sessions could be spaced out to wipe down equipment, etc. They appealed to stay open but were denied.
I'd think small businesses like that could stay open.
Post the link.
I was told last night that Star Diner is really struggling. If things don't open soon they might all close.
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Game Theory says "never admit nothin."
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Preliminary data shows 21% of NYC residents have coronavirus anitbodies. I think that's good news, given the 141k confirmed and population of 8.4M people.
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BREAKING: Gov. Cooper announces a three phase plan for reopening NC. On May 8th, more retailers and parks will be allowed to reopen, provided they comply with social distancing. 2-3 weeks later, we'll get another round of reopening, contingent on a sustained leveling of the curve. An announcement about schools is coming *tomorrow.*
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Phase three is profit.TheCatt wrote:BREAKING: Gov. Cooper announces a three phase plan for reopening NC. On May 8th, more retailers and parks will be allowed to reopen, provided they comply with social distancing. 2-3 weeks later, we'll get another round of reopening, contingent on a sustained leveling of the curve. An announcement about schools is coming *tomorrow.*
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Michigan extended their lockdown to May 15th.
My office is trying to go back to 50% staffing on May 4th, and I straight forwardly asked my boss why. Almost verbatim, my words were, "If we're asking folks to come in, but to not socialize or go to anyone else's work area, then what purpose does this serve? We have now established that everyone is capable of working from home. Other than unnecessarily potentially exposing people to C-19, what are we getting out of rushing the return?"
From what I've heard it's not him, but another board member whose job is extremely vague and they're very bored at home... They're also a very "large corporation" type of person, and as Gordon and Cake can attest, nobody fucks up the atmosphere of an SMB faster than someone who was an executive at a large corporation.
My office is trying to go back to 50% staffing on May 4th, and I straight forwardly asked my boss why. Almost verbatim, my words were, "If we're asking folks to come in, but to not socialize or go to anyone else's work area, then what purpose does this serve? We have now established that everyone is capable of working from home. Other than unnecessarily potentially exposing people to C-19, what are we getting out of rushing the return?"
From what I've heard it's not him, but another board member whose job is extremely vague and they're very bored at home... They're also a very "large corporation" type of person, and as Gordon and Cake can attest, nobody fucks up the atmosphere of an SMB faster than someone who was an executive at a large corporation.
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"It was always the women, and above all the young ones, who were the most bigoted adherents of the Party, the swallowers of slogans, the amateur spies..." - Orwell
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C-19 ravaging retirement homes and exposing the poor treatment we're giving our oldest folks.
Sad, but not even remotely shocking.
Sad, but not even remotely shocking.
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I am still.super jaded about that subject, but maybe old people should have invested more in their retirement so they didn't need to rely on the benevolence of.others.
Getting old is not an unexpected thing.
Getting old is not an unexpected thing.
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This is not a good comment. Apologies, but I assume you simply do not understand that it's not just old people who didn't save money that end up in these places?
Three of my grandparents died at home, and thus, didn't need assisted living. The 4th went straight into a hospital/hospice situation. However, three of my wife's grandparents have either ended up there or are on the way.
The first was a 99 year old man who had millions in the bank, but was unable to safely live at home anymore. The second was his wife who didn't move into assisted living until her husband had died. She was right behind him in age and honestly still pretty sharp at the end. She just couldn't live alone anymore as everything was too difficult. The third is on his way. He's an 87 year old man who is losing his mental facilities. He's not crazy, just old. He recently had a plumbing issue and didn't know what to do so his home flooded (not much) and he let it until one of his hired nurses came to check on him and discovered the issue. Oh, he also has lots of money.
Also, you should look into the cost of these places. You'd really understand how this shit shouldn't be happening. It is fucking crazy expensive and for them to also not give the care they're paid to give (not to mention ethics and the law), it's fucking disgusting. Just an example of cost: Adding a single bedroom onto a studio apartment was an additional $800/month at one facility in Toledo and not a super rich area or even close to a suburb. My first apartment in a prime area was $450/month and that was bedroom, living room, bathroom, kitchen, and dining room.
So while I completely understand and agree with you about people taking responsibility for their retirement, I disagree that everyone with money will always avoid assisted living.
"Happy slaves are the worst enemies of freedom." - Marie Von Ebner
"It was always the women, and above all the young ones, who were the most bigoted adherents of the Party, the swallowers of slogans, the amateur spies..." - Orwell
"It was always the women, and above all the young ones, who were the most bigoted adherents of the Party, the swallowers of slogans, the amateur spies..." - Orwell