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(Vince @ Jun. 09 2015,20:26)
QUOTE I'll continue to call him a him and call him Bruce.
(Vince @ Jun. 10 2015,15:59)
QUOTE As I've gotten older I've found the explanation of "Because it makes me happy inside" as all the in depth self analysis I need most times.
See, it seems like you might be able to understand, but then I guess "because it makes me happy inside" is only good for you while everyone else has to have better reasons than that.
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Posted on: Jun. 10 2015,14:17 |
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The difference being, Vince wasn't on the cover of vanity faire telling everyone that what makes him happy is "the new normal," and you are wrong/bad/abnormal if you feel differently.
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TPRJones
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Posted on: Jun. 10 2015,14:34 |
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And Jenner didn't do that either. Â There is nothing in that interview that implies anything like what you claim it does. Â Everything she said pretty much boiled down to "because it makes me happy inside". Â The closest would be the implication that for her the ability to be herself - to be happy inside - is her new normal.
She never said you are wrong or bad if you don't also want to become a woman. Nothing of the sort. Not even close.
If other people are making what Jenner has said into their own BS, that is their fault not hers.
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Vince
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Posted on: Jun. 10 2015,14:53 |
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(TPRJones @ Jun. 10 2015,16:15)
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QUOTE I'll continue to call him a him and call him Bruce.
(Vince @ Jun. 10 2015,15:59)
QUOTE As I've gotten older I've found the explanation of "Because it makes me happy inside" as all the in depth self analysis I need most times. See, it seems like you might be able to understand, but then I guess "because it makes me happy inside" is only good for you while everyone else has to have better reasons than that.
I really don't care what Jenner does. I still think it's a mental disorder. If he's happy, then I'm glad for him. If his being happy is predicated on me calling him a her and something other than Bruce, then he's has much bigger issues than having a wee-wee.
He's been a man and Bruce since I was a kid and he was on the Wheaties box. I remember watching him in the Olympics. He's a he and Bruce as far as I'm concerned, because he has been for about 40 years of my life. "I'm sorry Bruce. It's not me, it's you."
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TPRJones
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Posted on: Jun. 10 2015,15:06 |
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Okay.
But I still think liking Face Off is a mental disorder.
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Posted on: Jun. 10 2015,16:03 |
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"Caitlyn Jenner: I'm the New Normal."
http://www.tmz.com/2015....o-video
My mistake, I'd thought it was attached to the magazine article which I'd never read. It was actually him on video.
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Malcolm
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Posted on: Jun. 10 2015,17:25 |
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QUOTE He's been a man and Bruce since I was a kid and he was on the Wheaties box. Â I remember watching him in the Olympics. Â He's a he and Bruce as far as I'm concerned, because he has been for about 40 years of my life. Â "I'm sorry Bruce. Â It's not me, it's you."
Let me get this right: the name someone picks out for them is less proper than the one they pick on their own?
QUOTE But I still think liking Face Off is a mental disorder.
I'm still going with prayer or perceived communication with the divine. Voting for most of the asswipes in DC should qualify, too.
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Vince
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Posted on: Jun. 10 2015,19:20 |
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If at 69 he suddenly decided that he always wanted to be called David and insisted that everyone call him David, then yes... he's got a mental disorder. Only no one gets in trouble for pointing that out in this scenario.
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Posted on: Jun. 10 2015,19:46 |
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(TPRJones @ Jun. 10 2015,21:56)
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QUOTE "Caitlyn Jenner: I'm the New Normal." http://www.tmz.com/2015....o-videoMy mistake, I'd thought it was attached to the magazine article which I'd never read. Â It was actually him on video. Okay, but I still don't see the problem. Â The context is clearly defined there; wouldn't it be nice if you could just be accepted for who you want to be. Â And I think she's right in that it does seem to be the trend for most people - especially younger people - to do just that. Where you got "you are wrong/bad/abnormal if you feel differently" from that I can't imagine. Â Not that I would disagree entirely if that had been said (I'd have leaned towards "you are becoming outdated if you feel differently"), but I don't think it was.
Because if that is truly the new normal, if schools start up curricula teaching kids that no one is 100% girl or 100% boy, then I suddenly develop an opinion about it because I happen to disagree, and as I said before, I want to see their metrics. "Because Caitlin Jenner said so in Vanity Fair" is not an acceptable citation. Everything I've looked up suggests it's probably a mental illness, and I don't need that to be the new normal. Kindness and compassion, of course, for the mentally ill...
but whatever, never mind.
I'm obviously just a hateful person.
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Malcolm
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Posted on: Jun. 10 2015,19:57 |
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(Vince @ Jun. 10 2015,21:20)
QUOTE If at 69 he suddenly decided that he always wanted to be called David and insisted that everyone call him David, then yes... he's got a mental disorder. Â Only no one gets in trouble for pointing that out in this scenario.
I don't think misnomerism is a mental disease. Â Your name's a fucking label that gets slapped on you, whether your someone's namesake or not. Â I don't give a fuck if someone decides they really want to be known as Screaming Lord Sutch or the Emperor of the United States.
QUOTE ... if schools start up curricula teaching kids that no one is 100% girl or 100% boy, then I suddenly develop an opinion about it because I happen to disagree...
That's not the right pair of words, so I think it's technically wrong. If you use homosexual/heterosexual or masculine/feminine, then you're quite a bit closer.
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Vince
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Posted on: Jun. 11 2015,04:53 |
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Back during the days of the Black Death, it wasn't the rats that carried the disease. The opportunistic parasite fleas latched onto rats and carried the disease. Jenner hasn't been saying these things. Unfortunately, he's had parasitic SJW types latching onto him. Unless he makes the effort to distance himself from those that have latched onto him (and I think he's so isolated that he really has no clue), people are going to associate him with that message just like people associated the rats with the plague. Might not be fair, but it's human nature.
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Posted on: Jun. 11 2015,06:54 |
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(TPRJones @ Jun. 11 2015,06:32)
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QUOTE Because if that is truly the new normal, if schools start up curricula teaching kids that no one is 100% girl or 100% boy, then I suddenly develop an opinion about it because I happen to disagree, and as I said before, I want to see their metrics. You are still putting other people's words into her mouth. Â None of that was anywhere in what she said in that video. Â All she said was that it would be nice if it were normal for a person to be accepted for just being who they feel like they are. Â And then indicated that the trend is such that this is becoming the case. Absolutely nothing there about "no one is 100% girl or 100% boy" and all of that. Â That's what other people are saying. Â Blame them. EDIT: I know you probably think I'm nitpicking, but I'm not. Â I haven't seen where Caitlyn has said any of that sort of stuff. Â Everything I've read from her has been all along the lines of "this is what is right for me." Â It's other people that have been attaching all their agenda items to her, and I don't think it's fair to blame her for what other people she has no control over do or say.
There was a recent thread elsewhere with a school putting in that exact curriculum. I was referring to that. It's all related.
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Vince
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Eh... I consider myself Christian (maybe Christianish?), and I am quite used to anyone that doesn't publicly denounce Christianity being lumped in with Westborough Baptist Church. I just write them off an move on. They're idiots.
Jenner has some serious issues seemingly completely unrelated to his gender whatever stuff. If I could toss an "irrelevant" grenade into the middle of that circus and take out everyone involved (in a "relevance" sense only) I would do so. I wish him no harm. I hope he finds his path. The rest of the parasitic SJWs around him... different wishes for them.
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