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GORDON
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Posted on: Jun. 09 2015,06:40 |
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Serious question: does she still have a ding dong? I haven't been paying close enough attention. I assumed "transitioning" meant getting the surgery.
Edited by GORDON on Jun. 09 2015,06:41
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Posted on: Jun. 09 2015,06:46 |
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You assume a bit too much there; transitioning may or may not include intent to get specific procedures done depending on the individual.
However in this case I don't believe any such surgery has yet been completed, but is likely to be planned.
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GORDON
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Posted on: Jun. 09 2015,06:58 |
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I didn't see a wad in that glamour shot she did.
Deceptions! Lies!
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GORDON
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Posted on: Jun. 09 2015,07:17 |
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Here are someone elses words about this:
QUOTE There is a palpable religiosity to the wild hailing of Bruce/Caitlyn as a modern-day saint, a Virgin Mary with testicles. Within four hours, more than a million people were following Bruce/Caitlyn’s new Twitter account, hanging on her words like the expectant horde waiting for Moses at the foot of Mount Sinai. Her every utterance, all banal celeb-speak, was retweeted tens of thousands of times. Celebs and commentators greeted her as a kind of messiah. ‘We’ve been waiting for you with open arms’, said an overexcited editor at Buzzfeed. Across the Twittersphere Caitlyn was worshipped as a'‘goddess,' a 'goddess in human form', a 'goddess made manifest on Earth'. 'Caitlyn Jenner could fucking stab me right now and leave me for dead and I’d die fucking overjoyed we are not WORTHY OF THIS GODDESS', said one trans tweeter, and she wasn't joking.
In the media, the talk is of how Caitlyn and her iconic likeness might give an adrenalin shot to humanity itself. A writer for the Guardian describes Caitlyn as a 'queen' and instructs us to 'bow down, bitches', telling us her icon on the front of Vanity Fair is 'life-affirming'....
The worship of Caitlyn, and the hectoring of anyone who refuses to scrape before her icon, has graphically exposed the intolerant edge to trans thinking. The insistence that we not only refer to Bruce/Caitlyn as 'she' but also project this backwards -- recognising, in the words of the Guardian, that she has 'always been a woman' -- is borderline Orwellian....
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Malcolm
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Posted on: Jun. 09 2015,07:20 |
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QUOTE ...recognising, in the words of the Guardian, that she has 'always been a woman' -- is borderline Orwellian.... *** golf clap ***
Dead on. Other than the fact that George was talking about rewriting history and not someone's sexual programming. So, not really. If you're talking about the ability to have children, then maybe. If you're talking about being feminine, then no.
I'm sure this could've happened 40 years ago after the Olympics were over, but I'm willing to bet Wheaties would've had the fuck boycotted out of it. Deifying someone is still extremely troublesome, though.
Edited by Malcolm on Jun. 09 2015,07:24
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TPRJones
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Posted on: Jun. 09 2015,07:34 |
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Without a doubt people have gone way overboard about Jenner. Both those that are worshiping and those that stubbornly insist on calling her Bruce. That doesn't impact what I said above at all.
There is nothing Orwellian about her acknowledging that she has always been a woman. What she means is that she's been living a lie since childhood, forced to keep her true self a carefully guarded secret from everyone lest people react exactly like some people are reacting. So basically the haters are proving her completely right in not having trusted anyone about who she is for her whole life until now. If everyone else going gaga over her helps balance that for her a bit then it's fine by me. Everyone will calm down and forget within a month and we can all go back to our normal lives.
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Posted on: Jun. 09 2015,08:11 |
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All the glitz will fade and Jenner will end up like most every other trans and find themselves just as miserable as a woman as they were as a man.
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Vince
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Posted on: Jun. 09 2015,08:41 |
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I'd say closer to 5. But that's just a guess with no research to back it up at all.
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GORDON
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Posted on: Jun. 09 2015,09:26 |
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I think I read it was more likely if they chop off the ding dong, so we'll see.
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Malcolm
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Posted on: Jun. 09 2015,09:29 |
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QUOTE In June 2015, Jenner debuted her new name and image, and marked using feminine pronoun self-descriptors. Her transition is the subject of an eight-part TV documentary series that will premiere in July 2015. While she has undergone some cosmetic surgery as part of transitioning, she has not undergone genital reassignment surgery, but has not ruled it out either; she said that life as a woman is primarily a matter of mental state and lifestyle. She said she has never been attracted to men and had exclusively been attracted to women before her transition, but now identifies as asexual.
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GORDON
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Posted on: Jun. 09 2015,09:33 |
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And perhaps being wealthy and able to surround ones self with sycophants will keep serious depression from setting in. It isn't like she has to go to work at the office and be subject to the tittering of coworkers about what bathroom she uses.
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Vince
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Posted on: Jun. 09 2015,09:57 |
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Didn't help Michael Jackson too much. Only surrounding himself with little boys did that.
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Posted on: Jun. 09 2015,14:34 |
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For Gordon
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Posted on: Jun. 09 2015,15:58 |
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I just don't agree with calling anyone who has fathered six children a woman.
But Jenner can make his/her own choices. It's America.
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Vince
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Posted on: Jun. 09 2015,18:26 |
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I'll continue to call him a him and call him Bruce.
From here.
QUOTE OTTAWA — When he cut off his right arm with a “very sharp power tool,” a man who now calls himself One Hand Jason let everyone believe it was an accident….
His goal was to become disabled.
People like Jason have been classified as ‘‘transabled’’ — feeling like imposters in their bodies, their arms and legs in full working order.
“We define transability as the desire or the need for a person identified as able-bodied by other people to transform his or her body to obtain a physical impairment,” says Alexandre Baril, a Quebec born academic who will present on “transability” at this week’s Congress of the Social Sciences and Humanities at the University of Ottawa.
“The person could want to become deaf, blind, amputee, paraplegic. It’s a really, really strong desire.” …
“It’s a problem for individuals because it’s distressing. But lots of things are.” He suggests this is just another form of body diversity — like transgenderism — and amputation may help someone achieve similar goals as someone who, say, undergoes cosmetic surgery to look more like who they believe their ideal selves to be….
As the public begins to embrace people who identify as transgender, the trans people within the disability movement are also seeking their due….
I've described the problem this way:
Both lines of reasoning follow logical paths to internally consistent positions. Unfortunately, a growing number of people can no longer recognize which of these paths leads to an absurd conclusion.
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Malcolm
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Posted on: Jun. 09 2015,21:12 |
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Body modification. Bitch is that people who do this extreme form don't believe much in phantom limb syndrome.
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Malcolm
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Posted on: Jun. 10 2015,10:22 |
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Bob Costas, who's about as socialist a sports dude as you'll find, still has at least one functional brain cell left.
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