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Posted: Mon Feb 11, 2013 10:06 am
by Leisher
That stands for "The Alternate Universe".
Cast your new show, and tell us what time period it would happen within. Share any details you want.
You can't cast Kirk, Spock, etc. everyone else is fair game.
Posted: Mon Feb 11, 2013 10:46 am
by TPRJones
Unless we already have a show bible outlining what all Abrams is going to do for the next dozen or so movies, I would hesitate to strike out too far into the series future. If they aren't afraid to blow up Vulcan there is no telling what else they might do. Be a shame to have a show focused on Klingons set 50 years in the future only to find out in the third movie that all Klingons die out from some plague or something.
That said, I am curious about what the future ramifications could be for the massive speeding up of the Enterprise crew timeline, the almost complete gutting of Starfleet, and the destruction of Vulcan. What will the Federation of TNG time look like after all of this? Will there still even be a Federation of TNG time, because the losses Starfleet has suffered has been more than enough to destroy any historical empire. That could make a good show, IMO.
Posted: Mon Feb 11, 2013 12:11 pm
by Leisher
Well, you've got to assume that any new show has JJ's approval, so he'll make certain his films don't interfere with your show.
As for the loss of Federation ships, that's all easily overcome. In fact, an interesting scenario would be the Kardassians having invaded the weakened federation, only to be stopped by their ragtag fleet at some "line". The federation then pulls a "U.S. in 1941" and the war machine builds a large fleet quickly.
The ensuing counter offensive against the Kardassians could be season 1. Season 2 could feature stories involving the new peace treaty and the Enterprise visiting worlds formerly enslaved by the Kardassians.
It would make the inevitable confrontations with the Borg (Nazi Germany) and Q that much better. How does Picard defend a Federation having just fought a war instead of ships full of hippies?
Posted: Mon Feb 11, 2013 12:28 pm
by Malcolm
Anything where aliens look alien instead of bipedal humanoids with face and\or head ridges.
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Posted: Mon Feb 11, 2013 12:52 pm
by GORDON
Malcolm wrote:Anything where aliens look alien instead of bipedal humanoids with face and\or head ridges.
Enterprise, season 3. One of the warring factions was aquatic and had starships full of water, which made it look interesting when their ships exploded.
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Posted: Mon Feb 11, 2013 1:00 pm
by TPRJones
Leisher wrote:As for the loss of Federation ships, that's all easily overcome.
It's not so much the ships, it's that all the able-bodied officers are dead. Raw cadets shoved onto a freshly launched ship was all the Federation had left as of the last movie. It will take decades to fully build up a skilled and competent officer corp again. That will make enormous changes to how the future plays out.
Posted: Mon Feb 11, 2013 1:06 pm
by GORDON
The reason there was a Klingon war that started before Kirk's time was because the Klingon Empire was pretty damned close to Earth/The Federation. You have to change the borders within the galaxy or distract the Klingons in some way if you don't want them being the primary conflict in an alternate universe.
This kinda still works in JJTrek universe, because after Nero's ship The Narada came out of the wormhole and was trashed by the USS Kelvin, they were immediately captured by the Klingons. 20 years later the Romulan crew escaped Klingon prison, retook the Narada (which had healed itself using Borg tech from the future), and trashed the Klingon fleet on their way to meet Spock/destroy Vulcan. That last bit was actually in the movie. The other stuff was in the prequel comic books. SO if the Klingon fleet was trashed as bad or worse than the Federation fleet... well, there you go.
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Posted: Mon Feb 11, 2013 1:30 pm
by Leisher
they were captured by the Klingons? I don't remember that. I remember them trashing the Klingon fleet though.
Now turn on your imaginations...
Anyway, the Kelvin and Enterprise both displayed courage and tactics that made the Klingons respect the Federation. No need for Kitimer. The Klingons now saw the Federation as equals, and eagerly allied themselves. They even were more accepting of the Federation's way of talking before fighting.
So the Klingon Empire in TAU is considered Federation space. Meanwhile, so is Romulan space who saw what happened to Vulcan and immediately opened their doors to their genetic cousins and their Federation friends.
TAU provides a fresh slate. By making Klingons far more integrated, and making Romulans instant allies, you open up the sector of space, allow for new crew dynamics, and throw aside stories that ST audiences have seen. Bring in new, more interesting races to feud with and encounter.
Posted: Mon Feb 11, 2013 1:46 pm
by TPRJones
Alternately, soon after the events if the first reboot movie, the Ferengi see a golden opportunity and swoop in to conquer the relatively unguarded Federation space, making slaves of humanity for generations to come.
Posted: Mon Feb 11, 2013 1:50 pm
by Leisher
TAU Season 1 is the Federation fighting their way out of Ferengi oppression.
Season 2 is the Kardassian thing?
Awesome, BUT the problem is that Trek has never been about the wars. It's been about exploration, character development, and telling a long story.
So I think I'd stick with my Kardassian storyline, and make Ferrengi black market dealers during the conflict who actually helped the Federation defeat the Kardassians because it's better for business.
Posted: Mon Feb 11, 2013 2:11 pm
by GORDON
TPRJones wrote:Alternately, soon after the events if the first reboot movie, the Ferengi see a golden opportunity and swoop in to conquer the relatively unguarded Federation space, making slaves of humanity for generations to come.
Ferengi don't do slaves, I think they covered that in DS9.
They just don't allow their women to wear clothes.
Ferengi want customers, not slaves.
Posted: Mon Feb 11, 2013 2:42 pm
by TPRJones
I wonder if it would be possible to pull off this setting for a whole TV series:
Star Trek: Mirror Universe
Posted: Mon Feb 11, 2013 2:54 pm
by GORDON
TPRJones wrote:I wonder if it would be possible to pull off this setting for a whole TV series:
Star Trek: Mirror Universe
DS9 spent a lot of episodes in the Mirror Universe, but I've pretty much forgotten all of it except for the lesbians.
Enterprise spent 2 eps in the Mirror Universe... I don't know how they managed to get to Kirk's time with how fucked they screwed up the timeline with future tech in Archer's time.
Posted: Mon Feb 11, 2013 3:05 pm
by Malcolm
TPRJones wrote:Alternately, soon after the events if the first reboot movie, the Ferengi see a golden opportunity and swoop in to conquer the relatively unguarded Federation space, making slaves of humanity for generations to come.
They seem militaristically incompetent. Couldn't hold anything for an extended period of time by force.
Posted: Mon Feb 11, 2013 3:18 pm
by Leisher
Mirror universe was a gimmick.
I think any story where you have nothing but conflict is destined to fail unless it's short.
For any Trek story, there needs to be room for exploration and character development.
Posted: Mon Feb 11, 2013 3:47 pm
by TPRJones
Yeah, I guess at a minimum you'd have to have regular universe characters to follow over in a crossover to make sure you have relatable characters. And then they start to work to make the universe better and replace the evil federation with a nicer one and everyone is happy and they finally get back home to find their counterparts have successfully destroyed the regular universe federation and everything is awful.
I can't see that working as a TV show. But it might make a good video game plot.
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