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Posted: Mon May 24, 2010 12:32 am
by Leisher
Uhm...what the fuck was that?
Promises made at the beginning of the show:
1. Everything will be based on science.
2. They are not in purgatory.
The show was infinitely more interesting when it was about Dharma and The Others.
Posted: Mon May 24, 2010 8:50 am
by TPRJones
They didn't violate #2. Not exactly. The real world of the island was still the real world, it's just the "alternate timeline" that was a form of purgatory.
But #1 they totally screwed the pooch. I'm very disappointed there.
That having been said, I still enjoyed it. I can be annoyed by a story and still appreciate just how well it is told (and acted, directed, etc).
Posted: Mon May 24, 2010 3:35 pm
by TPRJones
I guess the best way to put it is that I was drawn into the show for the mysteries of it. The hatch, the numbers, the Initiative, all that stuff was why I started watching in season two. It was interesting and puzzling and I was looking forward to tying all those things together into something that made sense. I was watching the show as the Setting-Based Mystery show that was presented to me.
The characters, while vaguely interesting, were just there to explore the island for me. They gave the camera an excuse to look around, and drove the plot so that we could see what strange events would take place next. But they were never the center of the story for me, and for many others. But then in the final season - and especially in the final episodes - we get a bait-and-switch. Suddenly the puzzles are all unimportant and all that matters are the characters stories? Bah. They fucked it up.
That's what happens when you try to write a deep and intricate puzzle-based plot as you go along. You can't figure out a way to explain things so that they make sense, and end up fucking it up.
Still, I'm glad I watched it, if only because Terry O'Quinn is so interesting.
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Posted: Mon May 24, 2010 3:49 pm
by TPRJones
I thought I was matching Myst and in the end they gave me The Sims Island Vacation.
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Posted: Mon May 24, 2010 10:07 pm
by DoctorChaos
That was a steaming pile of shit! I want my 2 and 1/2 hours back. It was lazy, lazy, lazy writing.
Posted: Mon May 24, 2010 10:13 pm
by Vince
So... I guess we're never going to find out what the polar bear had to do with anything?
I think maybe it was their watermelon.
Posted: Tue May 25, 2010 8:51 am
by Leisher
Terry O'Quinn is so interesting.
He out acted everyone else on the show by a mile.
And yeah, I'm in the camp of "Great show, but that last episode sucked and was a cop out."
Posted: Sat Jul 03, 2010 8:39 pm
by TheCatt
The last 4 seasons were a cop out, imho. The first two set a lot of stuff up, then the last 4 just.... killed time. There were so many nothing episodes, it wasn't even funny. Yeah, the characters were interesting, but still.
Overall, enjoyed it. But not satisfying.
Posted: Wed Jul 07, 2010 6:17 pm
by TPRJones
Agreed.
Posted: Sat Jan 01, 2011 11:56 pm
by GORDON
Vince wrote:So... I guess we're never going to find out what the polar bear had to do with anything?
I think maybe it was their watermelon.
I know what you mean, but the polar bear was explained in season 2 (or so) when kate and sawyer were stuck in the polar bear cages. The bears being experimented upon and being sent through time and stuff (the polar bear skeleton in the desert with the darhma collar).
But I was right on top of the show until the "I'm dead too" line. I specifically remember the creators said that wouldn't be the big mystery, but then at the end that was the only question answered, and it only applied to the last few hours. Yeah, I get that they all had different lives, and all died at different times and all met at the end to all 'move on' together... but blah.
Generally not happy with the ending.
But I just watched it 10 minutes ago and I will think about it a bit longer.
Posted: Sun Jan 02, 2011 5:06 pm
by GORDON
Just watched an 11 minute clip called "The New Man in Charge." Some fun adventures with Hurley and Ben.
Posted: Sun Jan 02, 2011 11:46 pm
by TheCatt
The new man in charge
It felt like a 12 minute mocking of fans who wanted answers.
Posted: Mon Jun 18, 2012 2:30 pm
by Leisher
If Batman had been on that island...
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Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2012 9:21 am
by TheCatt
Posted: Wed Nov 28, 2012 9:31 am
by TPRJones
Abrams told Braun that there wasn't quite enough there for a series, but suggested that "The island has to be a character in the show, and something's wrong with the island." Braun agreed, so long as Abrams promised to keep things in the realm of "scientific fact" and have an explanation for everything.
Yeah, right. So much for that last part.
So in summary they really had no master plan, they just had a pile of characters and a setting they wanted to make mysterious. All the weird stuff was created with no idea of what it was or why it was happening, and then later on people started expecting explanations. No wonder they ended up writing themselves into a corner.
Posted: Wed Nov 28, 2012 12:13 pm
by TheCatt
Well, the point was that the people who originally agreed to the scientific fact part, were gone pretty quick.