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Posted: Mon Nov 05, 2007 11:21 am
by Malcolm
Two hour documentary that has the wacko nutter conspiracy theorists (from the dumb-ass kid that did "Loose Change" to some elitist intellectual "scholars") & the sane scientists & folk (particularly the ones from "Popular Mechanics" that debunked damn near ALL the bullshit conspiracy accusations). Fucking brilliant, especially in the editing. There's periods of time where they tell you what happened & all that broad overview crap, but the best parts are the ones that seem to follow the form of "point-counterpoint." It generally follows this format : the nutters make the accusation that "event/object X clearly undermines the official version of things" & then it cuts to the experts that always explain that X was either blown out of proportion, X really doesn't undermine the official story & here's why, or that X is just a fucking lie.
I really don't know what reality the conspiracy folk live in. They either need to go back to school or found a religion & call their detached beliefs what they really are.
Posted: Mon Nov 05, 2007 11:29 am
by GORDON
I'm guessing these nutters are an offshoot from the Bush Derangement folks.
Posted: Mon Nov 05, 2007 12:01 pm
by Malcolm
GORDON wrote:I'm guessing these nutters are an offshoot from the Bush Derangement folks.
That's a difficult call. While it'd be easy to say that the nutters are a direct splinter faction of the anti-Bush crowd & it's true that when you're a hammer, everything looks like a nail, I simply can't make such a black/white claim.
I think some of these folks genuinely think that the U.S. is invincible and any successful scheme of this nature could not have been done w\o inside help. There was a truckload of shit that went down that day. Just as one example, the sheer amount of kinetic energy brought on by four planes crashing at full speed is simply staggering & not something that your average citizen is exposed to or can speculate intelligently about. It's one of those concepts that some people just can't wrap their heads around. Like when you read about the tens of millions of Russians that died during the World Wars, you're certainly familiar enough w\ numbers to recognize that, "Whoa, that's a lot." But seriously conceptualizing tens of millions of people dead, entire generations in entire villages just gone, I'm not sure everyone has the imagination to acknowledge death on such a massive scale.
In what is the reverse here, I think people used way, way, way too much imagination in trying to figure out what went wrong. Fact of the matter is that we got complacent. Period. The U.S. hasn't been attacked on a major scale in the internal sense (Pearl Harbor notwithstanding, but I'm talking about the U.S. mainland) since the Civil War ended. Couple that w\ the cultural amnesia that society in this country seems to have, & the shit starts rolling downhill, gaining mass & momentum. Then toss in the general ignorance of the stupid & it gets to rolling at Mach 10.
Once people started spouting the "9-11 was an inside job" bullshit, it became only too easy to say, "Well, if that's the case, then exactly who is on the inside?" Obviously the administration in power, they think. Thus, I believe, did the anti-Bush crowd latch onto it. I think that it was originally two separate camps that quickly realized they'd have a better chance of pushing their agenda if they joined. The reason I say that is cos I don't believe the anti-Bush folk have the creativity to come up w\ some of the conspiracy shit. I don't think their brains could handle conceiving the notion that the Bush admin is 1) the most incompetent, evil, bumbling, etc., in U.S. history AND 2) the same folk somehow orchestrated this plot that would've required planning & foresight on a scale that even the renowned Jigsaw couldn't've hoped to have.
Now, while I don't think their brains could've conceived of those two ideas, I think they're schizophrenic enough s.t. the two ideas can reside in their brains if and only if they have some incontrovertible doctrine to fall back on, i.e., something that cannot be disproved or successfully challenged. Most people call that religion. For the anti-Bush crowd, the doctrine is, "Bush is evil." NOTHING, I repeat, NOTHING that anyone ever does or says will change that for them. Likewise, the conspiracy theorists think that the U.S. is so powerful & run so effectively (by the military-industrial complex to, I dunno, rule the world, I suppose) that some loser group of malcontents from halfway across the world could could never hope to pull off shit like this w\o significant help from powerful entities. Since the U.S. is the most powerful nation, then the only people w\ enough clout that could possibly be those entities are the people in charge of the U.S.
I believe that's how the doctrines were initially. But since time has gone on, they've intermingled and are now almost synonymous.
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