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Posted: Fri Jul 17, 2015 1:50 pm
by Leisher
Trial program to drug test recipients now approved.
Instead of drug testing, I'd prefer if welfare recipients were tasked to work for the state.
For any day they don't have an interview lined up they have to report to a job office and perform duties.
Even if the jobs are nothing more than trash pickup, we'd still be getting a better investment than higher Maury Povich ratings.
Posted: Fri Jul 17, 2015 1:57 pm
by Malcolm
Welfare recipients suspected of using drugs will be offered treatment first. Those who refuse will lose their benefits for six months. Repeat offenders or those refusing to be tested will lose their benefits for six months. Those who test positive for drugs will be referred to a treatment program. If another test shows they are drug free, benefits will be restored.
Sounds like a magnificent way to criminalize more non-violent offenders and toss poor people in jail. I agree, concerning themselves about employment instead of intoxication might help. Cokeheads can get work done pretty quickly.
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Posted: Fri Jul 17, 2015 2:28 pm
by Leisher
Holy shit. Let's get a grant and do an experiment. Let's find two parks that are equally messy. We'll release normal folks in one to clean it and in the other we'll have everyone do a line of coke first.
I suspect Michigan's population will drop, ala Wisconsin's, if this becomes standard policy.
Posted: Fri Jul 17, 2015 2:30 pm
by Malcolm
Posted: Fri Jul 17, 2015 2:50 pm
by GORDON
I've never bought the "you can't just expect poor people to not do drugs" argument.
Posted: Fri Jul 17, 2015 3:06 pm
by Malcolm
GORDON wrote:I've never bought the "you can't just expect poor people to not do drugs" argument.
I don't give a shit what someone on welfare smokes, drinks, or shoots. Is he moving towards employment?
Posted: Fri Jul 17, 2015 3:06 pm
by GORDON
Don't care, I don't think welfare money should be used for entertainment.
Posted: Fri Jul 17, 2015 3:08 pm
by Malcolm
GORDON wrote:Don't care, I don't think welfare money should be used for entertainment.
After a day of looking for jobs, I'd have no objection to someone hitting a j or two. Stressed people and wasted people interview about the same.
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Posted: Fri Jul 17, 2015 3:19 pm
by GORDON
I disagree. If they have cash to buy j's then they are being given too much.
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Posted: Fri Jul 17, 2015 3:22 pm
by GORDON
Just think how much money Michigan taxpayers would be saved removing the cost of coupla j's from every poor person's allocation.
Posted: Fri Jul 17, 2015 3:22 pm
by Malcolm
GORDON wrote:I disagree. If they have cash to buy j's then they are being given too much.
We'll just hire a dude to walk around behind them and hand them cash on demand, then.
Posted: Fri Jul 17, 2015 3:23 pm
by Malcolm
GORDON wrote:Just think how much money Michigan taxpayers would be saved removing the cost of coupla j's from every poor person's allocation.
Imagine the damage to the local economy from all those dealers seeing a downturn in profits. You might put them on welfare if they don't get enough sales.
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Posted: Fri Jul 17, 2015 3:26 pm
by GORDON
I laid out my welfare plan somewhere..... gigantic, clean housing complex, you are given food that is nutritious and will keep you alive even if it occasionally smells like shit, when in public areas you are in the vision of armed guards to make sure you aren't shitting up the environment for everyone else (looking at you, teenagers), and possibly you are monitored in your apartment, too, to make sure you aren't cooking meth. You are given zero cash. Clean suits and rides to job interviews are always available.
I think if you are on welfare, you should give up a lot of rights because the people feeding you don't want you eating better and smoking more j's than they are.
Posted: Fri Jul 17, 2015 3:28 pm
by Leisher
When Katrina displaced families that have been on welfare for 5 generations straight, it proved the system is broken.
When those same people took their Katrina money and went shopping at expensive stores instead of buying food pr paying rent, it proved that people who don't earn their money have no sense of what it's worth.
Posted: Fri Jul 17, 2015 3:30 pm
by Malcolm
The criminal life seems preferable to that.
and possibly you are monitored in your apartment, too, to make sure you aren't cooking meth.
Attaway to kill the entrepreneurial spirit.
Clean suits and rides to job interviews are always available.
How about a ride to the pub to hang out with the dude interviewing you in a week? Connections are virtually everything, skills count for little.
Posted: Fri Jul 17, 2015 3:32 pm
by GORDON
We'll be sure to put the Welfare Housing near the city center with plenty of walking access to the bars for all your important networking to get you that high paying job.
You still don't get no free money on DTManfare. Go pick aluminum cans out of the trash if you need beer money.
Posted: Fri Jul 17, 2015 3:37 pm
by GORDON
Malcolm wrote:The criminal life seems preferable to that.
Being poor should suck, and should have you thinking about how to not be poor 16 hours a day. On DTManfare you will be kept off the street, given shelter and food, and all the job training you want. It will not be a party. You will not be given much creature comforts. I am thinking 2 hours of internet time a day to be sending out resumes, if that is your path. No Netflix and no XBoxes.
It is my opinion that most poor people aren't "unlucky," they weren't raised right. As such, on DTManfare you will be treated like a child in order to be taught how to behave like a self-sufficient grownup.
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Posted: Fri Jul 17, 2015 3:41 pm
by GORDON
GORDON wrote:It is my opinion that most poor people aren't "unlucky," they weren't raised right. As such, on DTManfare you will be treated like a child in order to be taught how to behave like a self-sufficient grownup.
And if you have other problems, such as mental illness, that keep you from leading a normal life, then you get promoted up from DTManfare into a facility that isn't working so hard to punish you. We are a compassionate organization.
Posted: Fri Jul 17, 2015 4:36 pm
by Malcolm
It is my opinion that most poor people aren't "unlucky," they weren't raised right.
You've got to be fist-fucking me.
Posted: Fri Jul 17, 2015 4:53 pm
by GORDON
Malcolm wrote:It is my opinion that most poor people aren't "unlucky," they weren't raised right.
You've got to be fist-fucking me.
No, that would be gross.