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Posted: Sun Mar 08, 2015 5:45 pm
by Leisher
If he claims to be transgender, then you're the asshole.
We live in the freest country on the planet where you can say whatever you want. You know, unless you complain that there's a man in your female only dressing room. In that case, you need to lose your membership.
Posted: Sun Mar 08, 2015 7:07 pm
by TheCatt
How about private dressing rooms and private showers?
I am sooo tired of seeing old man dick at the gym. I guess I should stop staring, but still...
Posted: Mon Mar 09, 2015 8:14 am
by Vince
"I must study politics and war that my sons may have liberty to study mathematics and philosophy. My sons ought to study mathematics and philosophy, geography, natural history, naval architecture, navigation, commerce and agriculture in order to give their children a right to study painting, poetry, music, architecture, statuary, tapestry, and porcelain." — John Adams
And apparently their children, grandchildren, etc. worry about not hurting the feelings of someone that may or may not identify with the the sex organ they are born with. Apparently we need some real shit to worry about.
Posted: Mon Mar 09, 2015 8:35 am
by GORDON
They already have real problems to deal with.... maybe what they need is less contact with other broken people so they stop thinking their mental aberrations are normal. 
Didn't we used to put people who thought they were Napoleon in hospitals?
Posted: Mon Mar 09, 2015 10:03 am
by Vince
I don't know. Do you think we'd be dealing with this if people needed to concern themselves with not starving the way they did 150-200 years ago? Then again, our ancestors would probably look at notion of paying someone to make their facilities available to us so we can come and do heavy physical labor which produces nothing would probably be seen to merit a kick in our asses.
Posted: Mon Mar 09, 2015 10:09 am
by GORDON
Years ago I made a front page post about vegetarians, and how they were not to be trusted because their lives were so easy, without any real problems or challenges, that they had to invent hardships for themselves, and who knows what other reality-challenging hardships might they invent for themselves. I see what you just said as in that neighborhood.
Also, I thought of a term for the concept I brought up before: It used to be that they were seen as mentally ill, now they are labelled as "People Who Identify as Napoleonic," and they are given their own restrooms. There's your twitter post, right there, and unlike shit repeated by that hack Neil Tyson, it is completely original.
I have said for years that our government will not ever be fixed without a whole lot of bloodshed and misery... I have a feeling this mass confusion over identity will only be fixed at exactly the same time.
Posted: Mon Mar 09, 2015 10:21 am
by Malcolm
Confusion?
Posted: Mon Mar 09, 2015 10:22 am
by GORDON
Hysteria?
Posted: Mon Mar 09, 2015 10:26 am
by Malcolm
I have said for years that our government will not ever be fixed without a whole lot of bloodshed and misery... I have a feeling this mass confusion over identity will only be fixed at exactly the same time.
I need a bit of an explanation for that one.
Posted: Mon Mar 09, 2015 10:42 am
by GORDON
Which part?
Posted: Mon Mar 09, 2015 10:51 am
by Malcolm
The second half.
Posted: Mon Mar 09, 2015 11:41 am
by Malcolm
For me, if you have a cock you're a guy and if you have a pussy you are a chick, and then maybe you're straight or gay.
Gender's not just a physical thing. Those Japanese dudes whose educational system you like so much have my back on this one.
Are feelings a valid argument for anything?
Of course not. But they're a great excuse and can overrule logic.
Anyway, my observations have been that it is both the comfort of knowing someone will feed you 3 squares a day guaranteed, and having way too much leisure time, a generation that were taught they are special snowflakes, and complete and perfect communication with other people with the same mental state, that propagates what I see as, generally, a mental illness.
Your argument is too much leisure time and not enough challenges translates to invented internal conflicts?
Posted: Mon Mar 09, 2015 11:47 am
by GORDON
Malcolm wrote:Anyway, my observations have been that it is both the comfort of knowing someone will feed you 3 squares a day guaranteed, and having way too much leisure time, a generation that were taught they are special snowflakes, and complete and perfect communication with other people with the same mental state, that propagates what I see as, generally, a mental illness.
Your argument is too much leisure time and not enough challenges translates to invented internal conflicts?
Absolutely, yes. Millions of years of evolution were powered by conflict. Humans are absolutely built to deal with adversity. For the first time in the history of a planet, we (in this country) are a species that has no adversity, no challenge to our existence, and now we are seeing the consequences of that.
Just a hypothesis. Maybe it actually is the fluoride in the water fucking up peoples brains.
Posted: Mon Mar 09, 2015 12:03 pm
by Malcolm
For the first time in the history of a planet, we (in this country) are a species that has no adversity, no challenge to our existence, and now we are seeing the consequences of that.
No adversity? You aren't alive unless you're being shot at, bombed, or otherwise hunted? Additionally, this country especially seems to spend a fuckload of money trying to overcome adversity and challenges to its continued existence.
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Posted: Mon Mar 09, 2015 12:11 pm
by GORDON
Malcolm wrote:For the first time in the history of a planet, we (in this country) are a species that has no adversity, no challenge to our existence, and now we are seeing the consequences of that.
No adversity? You aren't alive unless you're being shot at, bombed, or otherwise hunted? Additionally, this country especially seems to spend a fuckload of money trying to overcome adversity and challenges to its continued existence.
"You aren't alive unless you're being shot at, bombed, or otherwise hunted?"
In a sense. It doesn't need to be literal. But I wonder.... how long has it been since most people in this country felt true, legitimate hunger, and not just a sense that it was time to eat again, and didn't know where the next meal was coming from? I keep hearing about hungry kids in commercials that want me to give money to their charity, but the reality is that there are two types of poor people in the world: global poor, and America-poor. Global-poor drink where they shit and sometimes starve to death on the side of the road trying to crawl 10 miles to the rumored grain drop-off point. America-poor get offended when you tell them how to spend their... what is the new thing... food stamp debit card?, they have cable, xbox, disposable income for weed, and subsidized housing. How is it even possible to be homeless any more in this country, unless you have mental illness and don't go to the nearest social worker?
Posted: Mon Mar 09, 2015 12:18 pm
by GORDON
Back to my "gender confusion will be fixed at the same time the government is bloodily overthrown" statement:
Today people are fat and happy and live with a corrupted government that keeps the bread flowing and the status quo. Today people are free to contemplate who they are and how they don't have the correct genitalia and how everyone else should accomidate their personal perceptions of themselves.
If everything went to shit, if the bloody revolution happened and governments fell like dominoes until, if you are lucky, your local community becomes a walled city-state, and if you are unlucky, you are out in the wilds with the roving gangs, there are going to be 2 genders: people with the penises are either going to be killing for vaginas or building things to secure vaginas, and people with vaginas are going to latch on to the closest, nicest, strongest man to keep themselves from getting raped over and over. That'll be it. Clarity of perception through adversity and threatened existence.
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Posted: Mon Mar 09, 2015 12:29 pm
by Vince
GORDON wrote:Malcolm wrote:For the first time in the history of a planet, we (in this country) are a species that has no adversity, no challenge to our existence, and now we are seeing the consequences of that.
No adversity? You aren't alive unless you're being shot at, bombed, or otherwise hunted? Additionally, this country especially seems to spend a fuckload of money trying to overcome adversity and challenges to its continued existence.
"You aren't alive unless you're being shot at, bombed, or otherwise hunted?"
In a sense. It doesn't need to be literal. But I wonder.... how long has it been since most people in this country felt true, legitimate hunger, and not just a sense that it was time to eat again, and didn't know where the next meal was coming from? I keep hearing about hungry kids in commercials that want me to give money to their charity, but the reality is that there are two types of poor people in the world: global poor, and America-poor. Global-poor drink where they shit and sometimes starve to death on the side of the road trying to crawl 10 miles to the rumored grain drop-off point. America-poor get offended when you tell them how to spend their... what is the new thing... food stamp debit card?, they have cable, xbox, disposable income for weed, and subsidized housing. How is it even possible to be homeless any more in this country, unless you have mental illness and don't go to the nearest social worker?
There's a reason few great thinkers and inventors came out of the tropics. When all you have to do is step outside your hut and grab a banana a coconut and some crabs to survive, that usually doesn't generate the needed diversity to develop farming and iron working and animal husbandry.
Posted: Mon Mar 09, 2015 12:34 pm
by Malcolm
When all you have to do is step outside your hut and grab a banana a coconut and some crabs to survive, that usually doesn't generate the needed diversity to develop farming and iron working and animal husbandry.
The dudes in the tropics could outsail any European until the advent of steam power. Navigation skills were way more important than metalworking.
Posted: Mon Mar 09, 2015 12:35 pm
by GORDON
Malcolm wrote:When all you have to do is step outside your hut and grab a banana a coconut and some crabs to survive, that usually doesn't generate the needed diversity to develop farming and iron working and animal husbandry.
The dudes in the tropics could outsail any European until the advent of steam power. Navigation skills were way more important than metalworking.
And yet they didn't dominate the world in spite of that supposed advantage.
Posted: Mon Mar 09, 2015 12:44 pm
by Vince
Cannons. Metalworking.