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Spend five times as much.
The report also details interesting changes in how much Americans are paying for drugs: Every year, Americans spent upwards of $100 billion on marijuana, cocaine, methamphetamine and heroin. Most of that amount is spent by what the report identifies as the “minority of very heavy users,” who get high 21 or more days per month. By comparison, Americans spent a comparatively paltry $21 billion on bars in 2010.

Good thing all that revenue's going to the black market.
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Flip side of that is that in Colorado they aren't getting nearly as much from the taxes on pot as they'd projected. Not sure if that's the usual incompetence of politicians or what,
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Vince wrote:Flip side of that is that in Colorado they aren't getting nearly as much from the taxes on pot as they'd projected. Not sure if that's the usual incompetence of politicians or what,
Do you have a source for that? Haven't seen that anywhere.
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Vince wrote:Flip side of that is that in Colorado they aren't getting nearly as much from the taxes on pot as they'd projected. Not sure if that's the usual incompetence of politicians or what,

Yep. They're hurting. $2M just this January. They're planning for about $50M per year. Which isn't enough to say, bail Detroit out of debt, but it's fifty million they didn't have before.
Economic forecasters in Olympia predicted that the state's new legal recreational marijuana market will bring nearly $190 million to state coffers over four years starting in mid-2015. Washington state sets budgets biennially.




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Malcolm wrote:Yep. They're hurting. $2M just this January. They're planning for about $50M per year. Which isn't enough to say, bail Detroit out of debt, but it's fifty million they didn't have before.
I'm sure in the usual political fashion, they spent twice that ($50 million) already in anticipation of the new possible revenue.
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Malcolm wrote:Yep. They're hurting. $2M just this January. They're planning for about $50M per year. Which isn't enough to say, bail Detroit out of debt, but it's fifty million they didn't have before.
I'm sure in the usual political fashion, they spent twice that ($50 million) already in anticipation of the new possible revenue.
Corruption and overspending is a separate issue from getting the income.
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I agree. I just think the partial solution to government ills is to give them less to do damage with instead of more.
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Vince wrote:I agree. I just think the partial solution to government ills is to give them less to do damage with instead of more.
I agree. The ~12% tax they have on bud in Colorado is too high. *rimshot*
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Vince wrote:Flip side of that is that in Colorado they aren't getting nearly as much from the taxes on pot as they'd projected. Not sure if that's the usual incompetence of politicians or what,
Colorado pot revenues exceeding expectations.

Apparently they have to refund taxes if they collect too much.

Colorado is authorized to collect about $70 million in recreational marijuana taxes. But estimates show how the state could easily collect far more in the fiscal year that begins in July.

If initial calculations end up being accurate, the state could owe taxpayers a $67 million. Another estimate puts the amount at $107 million. But it's also possible the state will collect less than $70 million, or that voters could allow the state to keep any extra money.
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Pretty sure most of that's going to get plowed right back into more bud.
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Heh... I don't think anyone can agree on how much they're supposed to get from this. Egg heads on one side coming up with a number and the stoners saying, "Nooo dude! We're going to make WAY more than THAT! Wait... where's the decimal? Are you going to eat that?"
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Vince wrote:Heh... I don't think anyone can agree on how much they're supposed to get from this. Egg heads on one side coming up with a number and the stoners saying, "Nooo dude! We're going to make WAY more than THAT! Wait... where's the decimal? Are you going to eat that?"
Actually, they've collected so much revenue that it blows away the tax limit set by a previous law. It's not a matter of how much they've made, it's how much they're going to keep.
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I wish marijuana were legal everywhere. I have no desire to smoke it, but I'd be interested in the drinkable/eatable forms, like beer/alcohol is to me today.
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I'm never going to post anything constructive in threads like these, but I have like, opinions, man.



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More and more I care less and less one way or the other. I'm okay with states making their own choices on it. On the federal level, there's way more important stuff to deal with.
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When will they legalize X?

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Let pot get it's day first. I'm guessing between 2020 and 2024 for pot.

X... I just don't see it.
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*sigh*

You know how hard it is to buy X at the age of 41? The only places I know are raves, and it's hard to fit in as the old guy at the rave.

Oh, well.
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Yeah, some days I wonder if I would try LSD again... but I'm guessing it's purely a theoretical question at this point. Even if I wanted to try it, I have no idea how to get it. Not like I can visit a Grateful Dead show.
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Ironically, if X were legal I'd be in much better shape. It's the only thing that can get me to exercise regularly.
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