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Posted: Sun May 10, 2009 1:37 am
by GORDON
Also, there were 2 thingies on the console Chekov and Sulu shared. There were the off-white color of everything else, they looked like joysticks, and they had a red light on the front of them.
These are Cyclone-brand hand scanners that are used in CVS drugstores all over the country.
Posted: Sun May 10, 2009 3:38 pm
by TPRJones
Vince wrote:I think that died once I recognized that they lived in a socialistic utopia.
I disagree. I mean, yes, you've described it properly in a way, but I disagree in the details.
The whole long-term goal of capitalism, to me, is to provide so much competition breeding so much innovation so that eventually technology provides for everything. No more crap jobs to be done, we can "replicate" everything we need, and there are no shortages of any sort. When that time comes, capitalism will still exist in a vestigial form, but will be largely unnecessary except for interaction with other societies.
Which seems to be where Star Trek is. It's not Socialism in the sense that the state controls everything, takes everything, and provides everything. It's more a socialistic utopia in the sense that there's so much of everything that everyone has whatever they want without the government having to provide.
Basically, in short, the end goal of capitalism is to provide what socialism and communism try to pretend we can do now (but very much can't, and shouldn't because it stops progress).
Posted: Sun May 10, 2009 4:43 pm
by Vince
TPRJones wrote:Basically, in short, the end goal of capitalism is to provide what socialism and communism try to pretend we can do now (but very much can't, and shouldn't because it stops progress).
Exactly. As perfect as the society seemed, I can't imagine it would last long before the entire society devolved into the women sitting around designing new shoes with matching purses and men sitting around thinking about how to get laid and absolutely nothing geting done.
Posted: Sun May 10, 2009 5:20 pm
by TPRJones
And perhaps that what a lot of society is like in the Star Trek universe. We don't get to see civilians very much, after all. Mostly we see those that are driven to make something of their lives and enlist in Starfleet.
Because a show about people sitting around doing whatever they wanted would be dull.
Posted: Sun May 10, 2009 7:40 pm
by GORDON
I think there was a line somewhere in TNG where Riker says something to the effect of ... society has evolved to the point where everyone just tries to improve themselves. Or are free to improve themselves. That isn't the exact line, but close.
For a lot of dudes that probably means being artists and shit in an attempt to get women's attention to get laid. For women that means designing brand new shoes and a purse in order to attract a man's attention and get laid.
That's always how I saw it.
And you know Riker got a lot of ass.
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Posted: Sun May 10, 2009 7:56 pm
by GORDON
This sude hates shaky-cam.
Truth be told, I didn't really notice it in this flick.
Posted: Sun May 10, 2009 8:20 pm
by Malcolm
GORDON wrote:For women that means designing brand new shoes and a purse in order to attract a man's attention and get laid.
That's always how I saw it.
You think women are trying to get men's attention w\ ... shoes?
Posted: Sun May 10, 2009 8:24 pm
by GORDON
Well, as a way to make other women look worse, yeah, pretty much.
Posted: Sun May 10, 2009 8:25 pm
by Malcolm
GORDON wrote:Well, as a way to make other women look worse, yeah, pretty much.
That still implies men're looking at women's shoes & comparing them.
Posted: Sun May 10, 2009 8:33 pm
by GORDON
Nah, women want to crush other women. Usually by belittling them until they develop eating disorders.
Posted: Sun May 10, 2009 10:18 pm
by Vince
GORDON wrote:I think there was a line somewhere in TNG where Riker says something to the effect of ... society has evolved to the point where everyone just tries to improve themselves. Or are free to improve themselves.
People won't even improve themselves enough to get out of the projects.
Posted: Sun May 10, 2009 10:19 pm
by Vince
Malcolm wrote:GORDON wrote:For women that means designing brand new shoes and a purse in order to attract a man's attention and get laid.
That's always how I saw it.
You think women are trying to get
men's attention w\ ... shoes?
Well... they'll get Catt's
Posted: Sun May 10, 2009 10:26 pm
by TheCatt
I haven't bought new shoes in.... 2 years.
Posted: Sun May 10, 2009 10:30 pm
by TPRJones
I did. I also didn't care for it. It was hard to follow much of the specific action in fight sequences and space battles. But I've come to accept it as - sadly - an action movie standard.
Posted: Sun May 10, 2009 11:26 pm
by Vince
TheCatt wrote:I haven't bought new shoes in.... 2 years.
Heh... had to mess with you.
Gordo made me!
Posted: Mon May 11, 2009 8:46 am
by Leisher
Question: Is it good enough to pretend I have lunch with a vendor today so I can take a long lunch and see the movie?
Posted: Mon May 11, 2009 9:24 am
by TheCatt
Vince wrote:TheCatt wrote:I haven't bought new shoes in.... 2 years.
Heh... had to mess with you.
Gordo made me!
I was like "old school shoe joke - wow" 
Posted: Mon May 11, 2009 9:43 am
by TPRJones
Leisher wrote:Question: Is it good enough to pretend I have lunch with a vendor today so I can take a long lunch and see the movie?
I thought so. Others might disagree.
I'm seeing it again tomorrow night. And next Tuesday. And the Tuesday after that.
Weird, I have three dates to see Star Trek with three different women, and only now have I noticed they're all on successive Tuesdays.
Posted: Mon May 11, 2009 9:49 am
by GORDON
TPRJones wrote:Leisher wrote:Question: Is it good enough to pretend I have lunch with a vendor today so I can take a long lunch and see the movie?
I thought so. Others might disagree.
I'm seeing it again tomorrow night. And next Tuesday. And the Tuesday after that.
Weird, I have three dates to see Star Trek with three different women, and only now have I noticed they're all on successive Tuesdays.
Wow, you have a lot of sisters...
And yes, Leisher, this is the movie to play hooky to see.
Posted: Mon May 11, 2009 12:33 pm
by TPRJones
Nope, no sisters.
They do all know each other; two are neighbors and two others hate each other. Sometimes my social life is like juggling fire.