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Re: Poor Carolinians
Posted: Thu May 05, 2016 4:59 pm
by Malcolm
NC loses. This is exactly how they got all the states to volunteer a drinking age of 21.
Re: Poor Carolinians
Posted: Thu May 05, 2016 5:22 pm
by TheCatt
TPRJones wrote:Agreed. The DoJ are supposed to uphold the law, not create it. I'm sure in court they'll try to shoehorn it in under "sex" but the whole point is that gender is not identical to sex.
Stop helping, DoJ, you're doing it wrong.
The DoJ declared within the past two years that they are extending sex to mean gender for Title VII and IX enforcement. Which is not what it means.
Re: Poor Carolinians
Posted: Thu May 05, 2016 9:44 pm
by Alhazad
TheCatt wrote:TPRJones wrote:Agreed. The DoJ are supposed to uphold the law, not create it. I'm sure in court they'll try to shoehorn it in under "sex" but the whole point is that gender is not identical to sex.
Stop helping, DoJ, you're doing it wrong.
The DoJ declared within the past two years that they are extending sex to mean gender for Title VII and IX enforcement. Which is not what it means.
No-one berates people who use the terms interchangeably more harshly on the internet than I, but it's a needed inclusion. A gender is basically the outward actions of a sex, and the law exists to regulate outward actions -- it's not made to care that your black heart harbors secret thoughts of murder, only that you
don't murder.
Re: Poor Carolinians
Posted: Thu May 05, 2016 10:59 pm
by TheCatt
Sure, the inclusion is needed, and the law should be changed to reflect that.
Re: Poor Carolinians
Posted: Fri May 20, 2016 3:02 pm
by Alhazad
HB2
being called a civil-rights rollback.
The law not only reverses a Charlotte ordinance that had extended some rights to gay and transgender people. It also prevents city and county governments from setting a minimum-wage standard for private employers and limits how people can sue for discrimination in state court. And it contains a provision allowing for remaining parts of the law to stand if others are struck down in court.
From Wikipedia:
The act also prohibits municipalities in North Carolina from enacting anti-discrimination policies, setting a local minimum wage, regulating child labor, or making certain regulations for city workers. The legislation also removes the statutory and common law private right of action to enforce state anti-discrimination statutes in state courts.
Re: Poor Carolinians
Posted: Fri May 20, 2016 3:12 pm
by Malcolm
At least one legislator who voted for it said he didn’t realize all that the law encompassed. North Carolina state Rep. George W. Graham Jr., who represents Lenoir County and voted for the bill, told the Raleigh News and Observer that he didn’t know until after the vote that the legislation dealt with issues of minimum wage and discrimination suits.
If only there existed some sort of public servant whose job was to read potential bills and vote on their merits.
Re: Poor Carolinians
Posted: Fri May 20, 2016 3:52 pm
by Alhazad
Malcolm wrote:At least one legislator who voted for it said he didn’t realize all that the law encompassed. North Carolina state Rep. George W. Graham Jr., who represents Lenoir County and voted for the bill, told the Raleigh News and Observer that he didn’t know until after the vote that the legislation dealt with issues of minimum wage and discrimination suits.
If only there existed some sort of public servant whose job was to read potential bills and vote on their merits.
Thought the same thing when I got to that part.