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Posted: Fri Jul 17, 2015 12:06 am
by GORDON
Malcolm wrote:GORDON wrote:I'd like to propose a new law that if a person organizes a mob with the sole intent of hurting you financially, and they succeed, you are allowed to punch them in the nose as hard as you want. To me that sounds fair.
Whoa, so every person in Cuba gets to take a shot at us?
Sure, at every single person who voted for and/or upheld that embargo. I've bought Cuban cigars in Canada so I'm good.
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Posted: Fri Jul 17, 2015 12:13 am
by TPRJones
GORDON wrote:People used to be able to have different opinions about other people and it wouldn't cost them their... whatever.
That was before everyone had a megaphone that broadcast their different opinions to the world. Odds were if their opinions were different they were probably mostly telling them to other people they hang out with who had similarly different opinions. And if not then they probably did have their whatever costed by the community they were talking to if it is one they were a part of.
Without the internet the problem goes back to a strictly local one instead of a global one, but I think it was still there to some degree. Just not as loud.
I'd like to propose a new law that if a person organizes a mob with the sole intent of hurting you financially, and they succeed, you are allowed to punch them in the nose as hard as you want. To me that sounds fair.
If you'll agree to a no-permanent-damage clause I'm in. I think we need a little more punching these days. I've got a list.
Posted: Fri Jul 17, 2015 12:14 am
by GORDON
Of course no maiming.... I too think we've lost something without the ability to pop a loudmouth in the snooker now and then. The loudmouth never learns nothin. Everybody is worse off for it.
Posted: Fri Jul 17, 2015 12:14 am
by Malcolm
Traffic might kill her, that's kind of my point. I know that if you treat her like shit her grand kids are going to rise up and murder you and your whole family. Treat her well and they'll be on your side. Hell, even if you can't get her out of traffic's way in time, YOU didn't kill her, thus her grand kids won't hold a grudge.
I think the more appropriate analogy here seems to be an old person standing in traffic holding up cars for a few miles.
Posted: Fri Jul 17, 2015 12:15 am
by Malcolm
GORDON wrote:Malcolm wrote:GORDON wrote:I'd like to propose a new law that if a person organizes a mob with the sole intent of hurting you financially, and they succeed, you are allowed to punch them in the nose as hard as you want. To me that sounds fair.
Whoa, so every person in Cuba gets to take a shot at us?
Sure, at every single person who voted for and/or upheld that embargo. I've bought Cuban cigars in Canada so I'm good.
How about all the voters that kept the politicians in power?
Posted: Fri Jul 17, 2015 12:17 am
by GORDON
Malcolm wrote:GORDON wrote:Malcolm wrote:
Whoa, so every person in Cuba gets to take a shot at us?
Sure, at every single person who voted for and/or upheld that embargo. I've bought Cuban cigars in Canada so I'm good.
How about all the voters that kept the politicians in power?
Isn't everyone who voted for Kennedy and the rest of them dead by now?
Sure, if you can narrow down a list, sure, each Cuban gets a free shot. I don't have a problem with that.
Posted: Fri Jul 17, 2015 12:20 am
by Malcolm
How about everyone who's voted for every prez since then? They had other choices at the polls. Then there's how many times Iran would have to hit us.
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Posted: Fri Jul 17, 2015 12:21 am
by GORDON
GORDON wrote:Of course no maiming.... I too think we've lost something without the ability to pop a loudmouth in the snooker now and then. The loudmouth never learns nothin. Everybody is worse off for it.
Protestor: Officer! This man just gave me a fat lip!
Officer: Sir, did you punch this guy?
Broke guy: Yeah, he organized a protest and bullied my customers into boycotting me and I just locked my doors for the last time then I punched him in the face.
Officer to protestor: Is this true?
Protestor: Yes, his views on social justice are wrong and he doesn't deserve to do business here.
Officer: Sounds like you had it coming. Everyone go home, now, if I hear anything more about this I'm throwing you all in jail for the judge to sort out.
Posted: Fri Jul 17, 2015 12:21 am
by GORDON
Malcolm wrote:How about everyone who's voted for every prez since then? They had other choices at the polls. Then there's how many times Iran would have to hit us.
Make your list. I'll make sure the Cubans get it.
Posted: Fri Jul 17, 2015 12:22 am
by Malcolm
Bah. Someone decks me, turnabout's fair play. Broke dude can go protest outside the other guy's workplace. If he's unemployed, he can go to his place of residence.
Posted: Fri Jul 17, 2015 12:22 am
by Malcolm
GORDON wrote:Malcolm wrote:How about everyone who's voted for every prez since then? They had other choices at the polls. Then there's how many times Iran would have to hit us.
Make your list. I'll make sure the Cubans get it.
Sure. Everyone who's voted since the '60s. Done. Fortunately, that's barely half the population on average.
Posted: Fri Jul 17, 2015 12:24 am
by GORDON
Malcolm wrote:Bah. Someone decks me, turnabout's fair play. Broke dude can go protest outside the other guy's workplace. If he's unemployed, he can go to his place of residence.
I have a strong, strong feeling that today's Twitter/Facebook/Internet SJW tough guys, 99% of them, easily, would absolutely melt in the face of physical confrontation. Anonymity is a hell of a security blanket.
Posted: Fri Jul 17, 2015 12:26 am
by GORDON
Fuck. Really in the mood to punch a loudmouth, now. Been thinking about those Marines getting shot and I'm feeling surly.
Posted: Fri Jul 17, 2015 12:46 am
by Malcolm
All fun and games until someone brings a set of brass knuckles. Then someone gets a knife, ad nauseum.
Posted: Fri Jul 17, 2015 10:05 am
by Leisher
Malcolm wrote:Traffic might kill her, that's kind of my point. I know that if you treat her like shit her grand kids are going to rise up and murder you and your whole family. Treat her well and they'll be on your side. Hell, even if you can't get her out of traffic's way in time, YOU didn't kill her, thus her grand kids won't hold a grudge.
I think the more appropriate analogy here seems to be an old person standing in traffic holding up cars for a few miles.
You might have a problem with that, I don't. If fact, it's necessary.
Liberals or Progressives or whatever the fuck they call themselves now are the gas pedal. It's their job to drive society forward.
Conservatives are the brakes. It's their job to make sure the Progressives don't drive us off a cliff.
Currently, our political climate is making it impossible for anyone to tap the brakes.
That's not good.
Change is good. Progress is good. Change and progress coming at an out of control pace where nobody is slowing down to implement the change properly or stopping to analyze impact is bad.
Posted: Fri Jul 17, 2015 10:17 am
by Malcolm
One man's out of control is another's maddeningly slow.
Posted: Fri Jul 17, 2015 10:25 am
by Leisher
One man's out of control is another's maddeningly slow.
I couldn't care less about either man. Society/Civilization is what's important.
There must be a balance maintained. Anytime one side of ANY issue does all the winning, things go to shit.
Did you not pay attention to anything Obi Wan said?
Posted: Fri Jul 17, 2015 10:33 am
by Malcolm
Anytime one side of ANY issue does all the winning, things go to shit.
That kind of says any time a war manages to end with unconditional surrender, things go to shit. Sounds like any time someone's committed to a mental institution or jailed, things get fucked up. Sounds like the same logic my state uses to assign every party in an accident 10% of the blame at a legal minimum. I'm not, as an individual, giving equal weight to all opinions blindly. Example: creationism is 100% bullshit that contradicts everything science tells us. I will not hear of it being taught as genuine theory in any public school, and that's because I don't want stupider citizens.
“Marge, as a trained marriage counselor, this is the first instance where I've ever told one partner that they were 100% right. It's all his fault. I'm willing to put that on a certificate you can frame.”
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Posted: Fri Jul 17, 2015 11:24 am
by Leisher
That kind of says any time a war manages to end with unconditional surrender, things go to shit.
It can. Depends on your viewpoint.
Sounds like any time someone's committed to a mental institution or jailed, things get fucked up.
I know we're not committing folks anymore that would have been committed in the past and people have paid a price for it.
But you're taking this WAY off point. It's like trying to win a debate based on your opponent's punctuation.
I stand by "change is good, but not too much too fast".
[/quote]Example: creationism is 100% bullshit that contradicts everything science tells us. I will not hear of it being taught as genuine theory in any public school, and that's because I don't want stupider citizens.
Just to be contradictory, I'll say that while there is proof of evolution, we have no proof that we weren't part of a plan.
Posted: Fri Jul 17, 2015 11:28 am
by Malcolm
we have no proof that we weren't part of a plan.
We have no proof we aren't all computer simulations, either. I'm not giving every conjecture equal weight. Evolution has a body of scientific evidence behind it. If someone detects a higher power and finds out we're his lab experiment, that's evidence. Even if there is a "plan," fuck that thing. No one explained it to me or asked if I wanted in. Free will is the ability to say, "Fuck that plan."
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